Which topic for a future AGE-engine game?

[deguerra]

Yes, I can vividly imagine "Fallout: The Turn-Based strategy game". Control vital Nuka-Cola production facilities, capture Power-armour manufactories, defend against random raider and deathclaw encounters/appearances.
I'm serious: It'd be cool.

Have you played the Fallout mod for HoI2 - Doomsday?

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?311272-War-war-never-changes...

-deguerra

[Kensai]

Dark Ages and World War I as anniversary for the 100 years of its start. You have two years to work on this!

Ideally, "Dark Ages" could be a new title based from the Fall of Rome (Western Empire) until the start of crusades, including all incoming barbarians (Goths, Vandals, etc) and their relations with the various factions in Europe. Major focus on the Eastern Empire, obviously, aka the Byzantine Empire. AGE engine v2.

"World War I" could be a major paid DLC for PON (which patches this last one to v1.1 giving it all features designed but not yet implemented) that focuses on the Great War in a global perspective, including economies, etc. AGE engine v3.

[Sgtchaudart]

Middle/Dark Ages would be the logic suite to AJE. And it would be genial.
Fantasy like "Conan" or "Games of Thrones" could be funny and would be completly different to the others AGEOD's games.

[Robert E. Lee]

1. Ancient Greece - I have been desperate for a Peleponnesian War game for years..
But hey im getting away from the multiple choice. Peleponnesian War please!

I voted for this as well but didn't you play Spartan by Slitherine?

[Flop]

1) 30 Years' War. Honestly, the world needs a 30 Years' War game. I'm glad to see that it's leading in the poll. I remember a few people on these boards opining that it's too obscure, but let's face it, Ageod games in general are kind of obscure, so why not make a 30YW game.

2) China. I'd love to see a game covering the 19th century Chinese rebellions, as well as the opium wars. I believe that the Taiping and Nian Rebellions would be a perfect fit for the Ageod engine, and seeing as how that was one of the bloodiest conflicts in the history of mankind, it's kind of odd that it hasn't really been covered in any games (that I know of).

3) Ancient China. I like The Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, but I've yet to play a game that i really liked, based on it (Sango 3 is probably the best I've played, with all its faults). I'd love to see an Ageod game based on this, although I'd obviously rather see my two first choices.

[RELee]

More Napoleon please.

[Baris]

Napoleon(Maybe after March of Eagles) and ACW 2-3-4 I think already in consideration and probably will be developed. But in between China,Mexican revolution,Spanish CW and Turkish war of İndependence can be considered. 30 years war and Dark ages would also be welcome.

[DarkGarry]

I would vote for FIXING current outstanding issues! Seriously. RUS is overpathed, but even worse issues shown on the surface(not blaming anyone, but RUS looks like orphaned kid). I'm not talking of features and improvements... bugfixing first.

Other than that I would enjoy modern warfare, from WWII and later on. With fronts, massive air armies, fleets, tank hordes, global strategic decisions and some tactical nukes (LOL!) etc.

In any time, I would enjoy multiplayer with more than 3 sides able to make or break alliances in the bid for world domination.

[FENRIS]

a pc version of "War of the rings" SPI very old wargame ! apy:

[PhilThib]

a pc version of "War of the rings" SPI very old wargame ! apy:

Impossible, the rights are already granted and getting them would be a nightmare

[vonRocko]

Can someone explain the fascination with the 30yrs. war on these forums? What country would you play? Is a campaign possible? I hope you realise it won't go over big at all with customers outside this forum. I just don't understand.
Thanks.

[le Anders]

Can someone explain the fascination with the 30yrs. war on these forums? What country would you play? Is a campaign possible? I hope you realise it won't go over big at all with customers outside this forum. I just don't understand.
Thanks.

No offense intended, but if you do not understand the significance of the Thirty Years War, there's no point in explaining it to you.
Playable countries: Sweden, HRE in Grand Campaign, Bohemia in Winter King scenario, Denmark in "Christian's Folly"-scenario, and many others. Plus all the optional alternate history scenarios one could possibly imagine.

[Franciscus]

No offense intended, but if you do not understand the significance of the Thirty Years War, there's no point in explaining it to you.
Playable countries: Sweden, HRE in Grand Campaign, Bohemia in Winter King scenario, Denmark in "Christian's Folly"-scenario, and many others. Plus all the optional alternate history scenarios one could possibly imagine.

Also no offense intended, but in marketing terms a 30 years war game would be, IMHO, a disaster...
Apart from european war gamers very well knowledgeable of european history, it will not attract interest from the majority of the potential Ageod market.

There is a reason you almost do not find games about the 30-years war - they represent a super-niche market; also, there is a reason why there are a lot of WW2 games, etc.: they sell a lot
If Ageod would invest it's meager resources in such a game, it should only expect, at best, a sales volume similar to the results of this poll. Maybe, with luck, 45 buyers...

Again, that's just my strictly personal opinion, and I do know the tremendous importance to european and world history of that conflict. For Portugal, it also represented the opportunity to regain the independence from Spain in 1640.


Regards

[Xaloc]

my choices

1.- Napoleonic era
2.- Middle/Dark Ages
3- Thirty years War

[vonRocko]

No offense taken. I understand the historical significance, but we are talking about a game. I want Ageod to make some money, and the 30yrs. war isn't going to do it.

[DanSez]

There are a thousand things that are historically significant.
I share the bewilderment at the facination of the 30-yrs War and was thinking of asking myself the same question vonRocko posed.

Hopefully some other marketing research and sales history factors will be included in the next game decision.

[Random]

I would assume that the AGEOD team has a business plan and it's unlikely that the topics chosen for the pole are entirely random.

Odd as it might seem, there are interesting bits of history that do not include WW2 or America, as shocking as that might be to some. Full marks to AGEOD for asking for input and for developing a game system that does such an excellent job of recreating the essence of pre-machine age warfare. Whatever they come up with I will certainly vote with my wallet and for the AGE engine shackled to the overdone glutted WW2 era it will probably stay closed.

[Baris]

I really find some assumptions really vague. One of those are ww2 sell a lot. really ?
I'm not sure about potential and only 45 buyers(?) about 30 years wars . But that can be the strenght of the engine why not. Remember Shogun was the first game of The Creative Assembly.
Why not 30 years wars a turning point?

I think next project which already mentioned can be dark ages. (mentioned already have database). Wish the best.

[Wilhelm Klink]

My vote (in no particular orer)
- Antiquity Greek (Peloponesian war in particular)
- 30 years war
- Feudal Japan
- ACW 2
- WWI

[Addams]

Antiquity Greek would be really awesome.

Something in China would quite nice too.

[Soulstrider]

Antiquity Greece, China and Middle/Dark Ages are my favorites in this order.

Kind of disappointment that the Rome suggestion implies that there won't be late Empire expansions for AJE, I was dying to unite the divided empire with Aurelian while at the same time holding against the Barbarian hordes. That was the potential expansion I was most looking for.

[PhilThib]

Kind of disappointment that the Rome suggestion implies that there won't be late Empire expansions for AJE, I was dying to unite the divided empire with Aurelian while at the same time holding against the Barbarian hordes. That was the potential expansion I was most looking for.

Why are you saying that? The ultimate goal of the AJE team is to cover all Roman history, including Dark Ages. This will take months, even years, but they are very serious people. All they need is good sales to keep motivation high, so help spreading the gospel...

[Hobbes]

Antiquity Greece, China and Middle/Dark Ages are my favorites in this order.

Kind of disappointment that the Rome suggestion implies that there won't be late Empire expansions for AJE, I was dying to unite the divided empire with Aurelian while at the same time holding against the Barbarian hordes. That was the potential expansion I was most looking for.

I'm working on an Aurelian scenario at the moment.

Cheers,
Chris

[Leibst]

All they need is good sales to keep motivation high, so help spreading the gospel...

imo the game just need a sucessful comercial campaing in Europe and USA. Dont know if AGEOD have enough clients over the rest of the world.
Its a really good game with a really good price.

[Soulstrider]

Why are you saying that? The ultimate goal of the AJE team is to cover all Roman history, including Dark Ages. This will take months, even years, but they are very serious people. All they need is good sales to keep motivation high, so help spreading the gospel...

Great for a moment I was scared, it's a bit easy to misunderstand with an option for a new game explicitly saying "Late Roman period", thankfully I was jumping into conclusions.

I'm working on an Aurelian scenario at the moment.

Cheers,
Chris

Forgive my words but FUCK YES.

[koningtiger]

1-Antiquity Greek (Peloponnesian, Alexander the Great...)
2-Antiquity Roman (including late Empire and invasions)
3-30 Years War
4-Renaissance

But i hope point 2 will be included in AJE in future expansions/DLC/whatever you want to take our money.

Would be possible to add another map in an AJE expansion? That way you could include Alexander, Diadochi or peloponesian wars as very valuable expansions over AJE. I am not sure if a new map is a big part of the work of an AGEOD game or a small one.

[koningtiger]

Why are you saying that? The ultimate goal of the AJE team is to cover all Roman history, including Dark Ages. This will take months, even years, but they are very serious people. All they need is good sales to keep motivation high, so help spreading the gospel...

It´s good to hear that, i think AJE can be a true exit, you best game in sales and quality. We will do our part spreading the gospel...and some of us a bit more, but you should advertise it too.

All in all, i dont want to see AGEOD become a money-hungry monster like another small company, quite bit nowadays, that most of us know...

[Flop]

I really find some assumptions really vague. One of those are ww2 sell a lot. really ?
I'm not sure about potential and only 45 buyers(?) about 30 years wars . But that can be the strenght of the engine why not. Remember Shogun was the first game of The Creative Assembly.

That's pretty much what I was thinking. While the market for WWII games might be larger, there's much more competition. I already have a bunch of really good WWII strategy games, and if I'm going to buy another one, it had better be really, really good. 30YW, on the other hand, is pretty much an untouched subject in computer gaming, so I'd buy that in an instant, (almost) regardless of who made it.

If the bit about 45 buyers (57 now) holds true, then I guess that means that the market for a WWII Ageod game is somewhere between 7 and 11 players, depending on the scope.

[StephenT]

English Civil War/Wars of the Three Kingdoms* would be my vote, if it were listed. Though I suppose it could also be done as a scenario or a DLC of a larger Thirty Years War game. The two conflicts were more or less simultaneous (1639-51 for the W3K, 1618-48 for the 30YW) and would use the same game rules.

* 'Wars of the Three Kingdoms' is the common name for these conflicts among historians nowadays, stressing the fact that major fighting was taking place simultaneously in all three Stuart kingdoms of England, Scotland and Ireland. It's got nothing to do with the Chinese historical novel.

Benefits:

* A multi-sided conflict where factions leave or enter the war or even change sides. As King Charles, you control the resources of three kingdoms, but you have to juggle them frantically to defeat opponents who are coming at you from all directions. As the opposition - the English Parliamentarians, Scottish Covenanters, or Irish Confederates - you need to defeat the King, but also be wary of the rival factions who hate you as much, or more, as they hate the King. Both the Scots and Irish would change sides and ally with Charles as the war went on.

* A similar strategic balance to the American Civil War, which thus will be familiar to players. At first, the Royalist side has expert generals and enthusiastic troops who can win most early battles. However, Parliament has greater resources, controlling most of England's larger cities and industrial regions. If they can hold on and avoid defeat in the first two years, they will gradually pull ahead. Skilled leaders such as Oliver Cromwell - who was only a colonel of a cavalry regiment at the start of the war - will rise from the ranks and start winning battles.

* A war of movement. Armies marched hundreds of miles and attempted to out-manoeuvre each other, which should make for dramatic and interesting play. (For example, the 'race for London' during the Edgehill Campaign, or Essex's attempt to relieve the siege of Gloucester in 1643 and then escape back to safety again). You also had sieges, pacification campaigns and revolts.

* Supply was important, which is something AGEOD games excel at depicting. Charles could have destroyed the Parliamentary army at the battle of Newbury if he hadn't run out of ammunition after a single day of fighting. One of the most dramatic campaigns of the war was when Queen Henrietta Maria arrived in northern England (slipping through the Parliamentary naval blockade) with a huge supply train of gunpowder bought in Holland, and had to cross enemy-held central England with the supplies to reach her husband's army in Oxford.

* There's plenty of source material available on the war (at least the campaigns in England), so researching orders of battle and so forth should be straightforward.

* It was a colourful war with many different types of troops. The famous red coat worn by British soldiers for the next 250 years was introduced by the army of Parliament in 1645. You've got musketeers and pikemen, cuirassiers and dragoons and even a regiment of men-at-arms in full plate armour.

* The war has a strong marketing hook - as the king, fight to defend the royal heritage against a bunch of religious fanatics and rebels. As Parliament, fight against royal absolutism in the name of freedom and the sovereignty of the People.


I'm not sure how well known the war is outside the British Isles, though I suspect that more people will have heard of it than of the Thirty Years' War! And it's not been done to death like WW2 or the ACW.

[Gen. Monkey-Bear]

I don't know much about the English Civil War, but your description is absolutely fascinating. I agree; you have my vote.