Re-naming of Divisions??

[Frustrated]

I wonder if someone can help me?

I am confused as to how to go about naming/re-naming my divisions. Same if I want to make up a division consisting of several brigades. I have looked at various sources but couldn't find anything useful.

For example - Imperial Garde - Marshal Mortier who is in charge of the "Infantrie de la Garde". When I try to rename this to something else, (by taking out the stack from the corps, then alt-clicking on name tab and changing name), when I put the division stack back into the corps, it renames the stack back to its old name "Infantrie de la Garde".

Is there some sequence one needs to follow for changing divisional stack names for them to stick? I have tried moving stack, splitting out elements and then disabling divisional command. Then re-enabling div. command and changing name, but it always reverts back to old name.

Likewise if you try to create a division by combining different brigades, even after doing the above process, once I insert the divisional stack into a Corps in reverts back to the General's name.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Captain_Orso]

You can only rename stacks. When you drop one stack into another, the stack you are dropping ceases to exist, because its units becomes part of the receiving stack, and therefore there is no stack to carry the stack-name you chose.

[Frustrated]

Thanks for the explanation.

So my question is then, why do divisions in Corps at start of the game have various names on the general's picture card, "3e Div. 4C" or "2e Div. Armee D'Itallie" and not just the general's name?

I can't recreate this when adding new divisions to a Corps, for example calling a new division "3e Div. Armee D'Itallie" when placing into Flanc Gauche. This will revert stack name back to general's name. Mortier's Division is called "Infantrie de la Garde" which is a specific name for that division stack despite being in the Imperial Guards Corps.

Is there no way of doing this?

[Captain_Orso]

Thanks for the explanation.

So my question is then, why do divisions in Corps at start of the game have various names on the general's picture card, "3e Div. 4C" or "2e Div. Armee D'Itallie" and not just the general's name?

Those names are given through the scenario setup; they are not generated through the game engine.

I can't recreate this when adding new divisions to a Corps, for example calling a new division "3e Div. Armee D'Itallie" when placing into Flanc Gauche. This will revert stack name back to general's name. Mortier's Division is called "Infantrie de la Garde" which is a specific name for that division stack despite being in the Imperial Guards Corps.

Is there no way of doing this?

When you have a division all alone in its own stack and name the stack "3e Div. Armee D'Itallie", you are only naming the stack, and not the division. As I stated, what you are trying to do is not possible.

[Hyroda]

renameing Corps or divison's!? if you mean to give those Division you would like to chanege the Name completely to your favour,..you have to use the Lalt key while clicking with the left mouse buttom on that Icon of the unit wich you like to change the Name.....for example if more Units are within a square you have to choose the unit on the top of the Units Screen and the go on as i explaned,...you can rename the unit....

[Captain_Orso]

STACKS!! You can only rename stacks! Whether there is one cavalry regiment in it, a brigade, a half dozen cavalry regiments, a division, a bunch of divisions, whether it is a corps or not, if the unit(s) are in one stack-tab (they all appear in the stack panel) when you select it/them, it/they is/are in one stack; and that you can rename, be it a corps or what ever--the only exception is army stacks, a stack with an army commander, those cannot be renamed.

[veji1]

To be honest it's a damn shame because it makes division names a mess in this game. in AACW or CW2 it's straightforward : it's a number because all divs are built through agregating units with a leader. But here you have 3 types of divs :
- The divs in the scenario setup that have a specific name aka "3e division d'armée d'Italie" and when you separate the leader from the unit itself, if you rebuild a different div with this same leader it becomes again the "3e division d'armée d'Italie" even if you rebuild a division with that leader in Poland or Spain...
- The divs built the CW2 way via active leader + brigades takes just the leader name except if it falls into the above situation
- And finally when you have divisions which are just merging a leader and a division size unit (instead of using the build division button) well it takes the name of the unit which is already a division name with a number "1er division légère", etc..

This is very messy.

[Frustrated]

Exactly my point!

So I have corps consisting of divisions with a standard name, eg. "2e Div. 4C", then other divisions with just the name of the general and then others with the name of the unit.

It is messy and a big shame. It makes building new divisions and constructing new Corps out of these far less immersive.

Is there no way of changing this in future patches?

[Captain_Orso]

Management Summery

No.

Esoteric

First off, the "special" division names are given through scenario setup or per an event, which creates these units. This could be changed in the setup and/or the event(s), so that the names are more conform with the names generated by the game engine, but the devs have already decided to use those names to add "flavor" to the game. Since these names are written into the setup(s)/event(s), they are not something you can pick through an option--eg Flavor Names Yes/No--. One could, ofc, mod the setup/event files to do this, but that falls under modding.

There are two thing, which fall under the designation "Division" in this game. There are the Old Style divisions created by giving a leader Division Command through the Division Command SO button and combining units with him, and there are Division Units.

The Division Units are large units, which much like brigade units have a specific number of infantry/cavalry/artillery--not all types of sub-units are necessarily included--and just like brigades, they cannot be voluntarily broken down into smaller units, as opposed to Old Style divisions.

Adding a "Division Commander" to one of these Division Units can done by combining a leader with the Division Unit the same as you can do with most brigades, in which case the unit retains the name of the brigade/'division unit' and does not take on the name of the leader. This could be changed so that the leader/unit combination takes on the leader's name instead of the unit's name--in fact at one time this was the way it worked with the game engine--, but I don't know if could be setup to be an option--eg Combined units take on Leader's name/Unit's name--.

At any rate, the Division Units take their names from their Unit files or from the scenario setup, which creates them, or from an event, which creates them. Therefore, as with Old Style division with "Flavor Names", it is not possible to control their use through an option.

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If I understand correctly, veji1, you are saying that if leader, let's say "Piere de Bulbuse", is created with an Old Style Division Command by setup or event with a "Flavor Name", lets say "Division du Ivrognes", if you remove Division Command from "de Bulbuse" and 1 or more turns later reinstate him with Division Command with the Create Division Command SO button, de Bulbuse's division with still be named "Division du Ivrognes" instead of "de Bulbuse's Division? That would be very new to me

[veji1]

If I understand correctly, veji1, you are saying that if leader, let's say "Piere de Bulbuse", is created with an Old Style Division Command by setup or event with a "Flavor Name", lets say "Division du Ivrognes", if you remove Division Command from "de Bulbuse" and 1 or more turns later reinstate him with Division Command with the Create Division Command SO button, de Bulbuse's division with still be named "Division du Ivrognes" instead of "de Bulbuse's Division? That would be very new to me

Yep it happened to me a few times, it seems that the flavor division name in the scenario setup is attached to the leader (which from a set up point of view makes sense) so if you take a leader from a division in the Armée d'italie that is actually made of brigades, break it up and create a new division with this leader in command in Poland a few months later, suddenly you have again a "3e division armée d'Italie" !!!

Honestly to me the simplest thing would have been to chose one of 2 models :
-give division's a number à la CW2 : 1st, second, 55th, etc.. for all.
-give division the general's name but at least do it properly : Right now if you create a division with general "François Dupont" all you get is the name "François Dupont" on the golden backdrop instead of the white one. The unit just take's the whole name. If it could at least be "Dupont division" it would be a lot better.

[Frustrated]

I can verify what veji1 is saying. Same happens with Mortier and his "Infantrie de la Garde".