Hits on retreat

[Metatron]

I was wondering after some playing in PBEM if the hits that are inflicted upon retreats or routs are in hundreds or in thousands ? I think these hits in retreat have always been in hundreds in ageod game (like the prisonners in battle results or weather hits), is this different in EAW or am I just getting crazy ?

[Projekt Pasha]

Each hit seems to be roundabout 400 men, sometimes a bit less if you've got a lot of artillery and it takes most of the hits. I usually order my troops to hold at all costs in a bit to avoid pursuit hits whenever possible.

[ohms_law]

It may be "thousands" in EAW. The unit sizes are larger than in most (all?) other AGEOD games (well, I think they're the same size as in PON: divisions).
It doesn't really matter though, the number of men in units, battles, casualties, etc... is abstracted anyway. Hits are what the game actually keeps track of.
You can see how many hits an element has on it's card.

[Projekt Pasha]

It is 400 men for infantry units, as they have 15 hits of 400 men for 6,000 total. Significantly less for anything else.

[Metatron]

Thanks guys, that's what we figured out also 400/500 per hit. It's a big difference ohms_law, I once took 82 hits on a retreat, there is a significant difference between loosing 8200, 41000 or 82000 men on a retreat.

[bob.]

Thanks guys, that's what we figured out also 400/500 per hit. It's a big difference ohms_law, I once took 82 hits on a retreat, there is a significant difference between loosing 8200, 41000 or 82000 men on a retreat.

Not for the game engine, because no matter what hits represent you always lose the same percentage of your forces
Also, as far as I know, hits can represent a different amount of men with different units, so if it says "82 hits" you still have no idea how many men that actually is.

Example:

For the infantry brigade, one hit equals 400 soldiers, for the cavalry brigade it equals 50 soldiers and 50 horses.

[caranorn]

Not for the game engine, because no matter what hits represent you always lose the same percentage of your forces
Also, as far as I know, hits can represent a different amount of men with different units, so if it says "82 hits" you still have no idea how many men that actually is.

Example:

For the infantry brigade, one hit equals 400 soldiers, for the cavalry brigade it equals 50 soldiers and 50 horses.

Note, for the cavalry the flavour numbers are wrong anyhow (one cavalry hit should be maybe 250 men and 300 horses (would have to look up my notes to give exact numbers).

In any case, number of men, horses, guns etc. is pure flavour material and plays no role in the engine. All that matters in this case are the number of hits...

[Kensai]

In any case, number of men, horses, guns etc. is pure flavour material and plays no role in the engine. All that matters in this case are the number of hits...

Nonetheless, we all wish they somehow are realistic to real numbers. Same applies to sunk ships in naval battles. If we see battles that are too deadly (as it happened in PON initially) then we are doing it wrong.

[bob.]

Frankly, I know nothing about the size of cavalry divisions in WW1, so I just assumed they were tiny compared to infantry divisions, even if it seemed kind of weird.
If the numbers are wrong though, it would indeed be good if they could be corrected. Even if - just to emphasize that - it has absolutely no effect on gameplay.