wayne57
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Independent stack question

Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:35 pm

Is a corps considered independent when separated from a army stack.
Is so then shouldn't the cp be half?
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Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:49 am

It depends upon what you mean by separated from the army stack. If you mean in a different region, in this game, you are pretty much in command control of the commander in chief no matter where your corps are.

If you mean independent to mean not attached to an army, as in if you do not link it to an army, conceptually, this game handles attachment differently than the other family of games. All corps and divisions are 'unattached'. What matters its size and the number of leaders and units in the corps, it might have enough command points to not have a command penalty.

So there is no penalty of loss of half, instead, command control is more about being adjacent to an army so march to the sound of guns unites your corps and armies during battle.

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Fri Dec 26, 2014 8:37 pm

Thanks Durk.
Another question. How do you know which corps are linked to which armies?
I know that the armies flash red when the GHQ is selected to which they are attached but if you
select a corps no signal.
At the beginning of the game playing as Central Powers you have several corps in the same region
as armies as well as corps in the army stack. Are the armies not in the stack considered part of that army?
Some regions have 2 army stacks as well as several corps not in the stacks. How do you tell which
corps belongs to which army or does it even matter as long as the corps have enough cp without getting a penalty?
Thanks again.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:01 am

I think you are remembering a process associated with other games with the blinking corps. If you select the supreme HQ, you might get blinking armies. I have not seen this, but then I ignore GHQ during play except when the Czar steps into command (sad day for Russia).

The game manual is pretty accurate on what happens:
If stacked in the same region, the Army formations have the ability to stay together during movement by choosing the corresponding Special Order (Synchronized Move).
• If spread out in different regions, there is a chance of supporting an adjacent Army engaged in combat (i.e. “March to the Sound of the Guns” ;) . This ability is influenced by the level of Military
Control in both regions and by the Armies’ Cohesion.
• Increased Command Points efficiency.
• Combat bonuses when several Armies are fighting together (they will help each other more efficiently during a fight).
• Some special abilities of the Army Group/GHQ commander can benefit its Armies.

So to put it in my words and understanding, which appears to work in the games I have observed. Armies and corps march to the sound of guns to other armies and corps in the same or adjacent regions. But . . . They are not actually 'attached' as in other games. So to answer your question more directly, armies are attached to any corps in the same or adjacent regions, and to other armies. Corps are attached to any army in the same or adjacent region.

I think of it this way, GHQ has issued orders to all armies to support any army or corps in the same or adjacent region. Corps have orders to support any army. So . . . think of armies as the leading unit if you wish to trigger march to the sound of guns. Corps can do this, but they only respond to adjacent armies. I suggest, watch commitment during battle resolution. Leaders, terrain and fatigue of units all influence the actual commitment.

So, 'it doesn't matter.' Command penalties in this game are associated with individual corps and individual armies – only. There is no army benefit passed to corps command and command penalties.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:19 am

Thanks Durk. I have it now.
I was thinking of the way the command structure has worked in
some of the past games.
Thanks again

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Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:23 am

Yep, revolution in thinking about corps and armies.
I am still wallowing in figuring this out, but love it.

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