LOST Stonewall Brigade in battle!! ouch!

[StoneWall Jackson]

In one of my PBEM games I am currently playing I made a mistake timing the arrival of two forces into a region. Stonewall and his brigade arrived first and attacked without any support from my other force and he was KILLED and his brigade was completely destroyed....

My question is will his brigade ever show back up in the Force Pool so that I can rebuild it? Or is it lost forever?

[GraniteStater]

I would say that those 'dedicated' bdes are not regenerated.

[Ol' Choctaw]

Lost and gone for ever!

Elite troops don't go back to the force pool.

[StoneWall Jackson]

noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darn it.

[GraniteStater]

noooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darn it.

You do have a separate categoty of Elite Inf Replacements, but the units themselves - nope.

We share your pain, however. Occasionally, I have had Sherman or other desired guys popped. My view is that 'foolish' or 'reckless' (not the trait) attacks, or even getting overwhelmed (usually 'cuzza I didn't read the map carefully) heightens Leader vulnerability. I could be mistaken, just feels that way, bad odds enhancing the danger. When I have lost Sherman or Longstreet, etc., it is almost always as a 1*. 2*s do much better and 3* are invulnerable.

So promote the best guys quickly.

[Ol' Choctaw]

Don't know if 3*s are bullet proof. Seems I have lost Lee a couple of times. But it may have been AACW.

[Citizen X]

Leaders with an attached unit go down automatically, when said unit gets destroyed for wichever reason.

[GraniteStater]

Don't know if 3*s are bullet proof. Seems I have lost Lee a couple of times. But it may have been AACW.

I'd hafta triplecheck, but I think they are.

[Saltaholicwm]

I'd hafta triplecheck, but I think they are.

I think they're supposed to be, but I've lost Lee in battle in CWII - it's only happened once, but it's happened.

[Keeler]

I've had Buell wounded, but not killed, while serving as an army commander. The chances are very small, but do exist.

[Q-Ball]

Leaders with an attached unit go down automatically, when said unit gets destroyed for wichever reason.

Exactly......for this reason, leaving 3* Army commanders by themselves is far better than putting a small unit or something in the Army stack.. I had a Cav escort for Lee once, and when the Cav was destroyed, Lee was killed. Happened again when he had a Balloon. Thankfully, was playing AI. Learned my lesson after that. Just leave Army commanders alone to "float".

[StoneWall Jackson]

First time that I had a 100% strength brigade destroyed in one attack. It was before division formations, I had Stonewall commanding the brigade, merged together, and two other brigades from the Army of Shenandoah with their leaders as well. Joseph E. Johnston was not with them however, so Jackson was senior in the stack. Combat odds were likely about 500 to 1100 with the defenders at level 3 entrenchment. Setting was attack, normal.

Had Beauregard's Army set to be there at the same time, my mistake was adding Huger to join his voice in transit, this effected the arrival of Beauregard's Army so it did not arrive with Stonewall. I have obviously still not figured out the way to merge forces on the move without messing up their timing.

[GraniteStater]

Exactly......for this reason, leaving 3* Army commanders by themselves is far better than putting a small unit or something in the Army stack.. I had a Cav escort for Lee once, and when the Cav was destroyed, Lee was killed. Happened again when he had a Balloon. Thankfully, was playing AI. Learned my lesson after that. Just leave Army commanders alone to "float".

I...dunno 'bout this. Maybe you're, uh, doing something, uh, not right.

I have never had an Army Leader scratched. I don't use my Army stacks as battering rams, but I do have them around `300 Pwr or so; usually some Arty, some Cav, maybe a lightish Div. I almost always have other leaders in the Army stack, to be clear.

No trubs, bub. They co-ordinate and support the Corps, the way I use them. Heck, take Grant or Lee, or some of the other really good ones - their Army Radius is quite large. I've had Grant in Cairo for months at a stretch, a year, directing operations down to Corinth and beyond.

I just wouldn't let Army Leaders wander the landscape without any brackets - they might get integrated improperly.

[Eugene Carr]

I think their ok in a stack just not merged into a unit
S!

[ArmChairGeneral]

I have seen Lee injured while defending Pittsburgh in 1.01, (Athena wasn't doing so well) he was unmerged and in command of an Army.

I am always uncomfortable leaving Armies naked like described above, but then I play CSA, so often have to keep Armies up front and use them like a Corps. I don't usually have enough 2* to form all the Corps I need, so my Armies see a lot of combat. (I have to finesse the no-attack property.)

I don't ever have much luck coordinating forces when attacking from separate regions and my attempts to do so have resulted in my most worst defeats; even if they both make it on schedule the smaller force likes to engage on its own and get itself wiped out if they aren't Corps or Armies. Still, I often end up needing to risk it in the early going along the Potomac, like in the above case. This all seems to work better when I am doing this on defense.

[H Gilmer3]

Lost Grant in a game I was playing in Civil War 1. I gave up pretty much after that.