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Battle of Bull Run 1861 - main union army does not move

Fri Nov 15, 2013 7:35 pm

After purchasing this great game I decided to try a small and familiar scenario. 1861 Bull Run was a logical choice.
Playing as Confederates I payed with options a bit and have this on:
- give the AI more time
- hard activation rule (unactivated ganerals stacks will not move)

To my surprise the main union army had not moved at all, but the game still ended as Minor defeat for the Confederates.
After checking my objectives I only have Wahington and Richmond. I would expect Manassas as an objective too.

End game situation
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Will try with "normal" activation rule now.
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Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:21 am

Testing a bit more. Now with suggested settings of give AI more time, AI detection bonus set and medium and large penalties for stack under non activated stack commanders.

I ALWAYS get this as a draw:
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Situation at the end of the scenario. Northern armies have avoided any serious battle and have moved to Winchester and Strasburg, thus leaving Washington defended with units inside the city only.
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Loss for the South even if North did nothing to advance towards Richmond.
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Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:22 am

Did they move the same turn you move to Washington?
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Hofstadter's Law: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law."

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Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:10 pm

Pocus wrote:Did they move the same turn you move to Washington?

They moved away from Washington to Winchester and Strasburg THEN I moved to Washington.

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Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:01 pm

she is not good in recovering fast from a side step. In 2-3 turns she will probably fall back or strengthen an important rear region, but I believe here you took her off guard. (I'm obviously talking of the AI)
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Hofstadter's Law: "It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's law."

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Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:40 pm

I got into Washington on easy settings - see my short AAR.

But this result above is correct isn't it? On points.

You could say there is always asymmetry - USA has to win the war; CSA only has to not lose.

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Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:13 pm

Pocus wrote:she is not good in recovering fast from a side step. In 2-3 turns she will probably fall back or strengthen an important rear region, but I believe here you took her off guard. (I'm obviously talking of the AI)

The problem is that if you move Joseph E. Johnston's stack towards Harper's Ferry (unopposed that is) then Irvin McDowell's Union stack will go to Winchester.
The AI does not "know" that it needs to attack Manassas as it is not an objective in this scenario. Will have to check where is Robert Patterson's stack which should block Joseph E. Johnston's stack advace toward Harper's Ferry
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Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:09 am

Taillebois wrote:I got into Washington on easy settings - see my short AAR.

But this result above is correct isn't it? On points.

You could say there is always asymmetry - USA has to win the war; CSA only has to not lose.


I have seen it yeah, funny and kinda short AAR :thumbsup:
The AI loves to attack, but is sometimes too passive on defence...

In this scenario the AI can win by simply not moving any units i.e. doing nothing.

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:28 am

I like your clear campaign map. Where is it available from?

I got a major loss against the Union my moving my stacks to the west and leaving Richmond wide open, but usually it is just a point loss unless I get into Washington.

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:24 am

Taillebois wrote:I like your clear campaign map. Where is it available from?


Wikipedia has really nice maps :thumbsup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:20 am

Carnium wrote:Wikipedia has really nice maps :thumbsup:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Bull_Run


They come from here.
http://www.cwmaps.com/

West Point has also good maps from all conflicts.

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Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:47 pm

RebelYell wrote:They come from here.
http://www.cwmaps.com/

West Point has also good maps from all conflicts.


Wow, thanks a lot!

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