Numbers (3-2-2) on leaders...

[kneecaps]

Hi all,
New to Civil War II and I imagine that this question has already been answered. What are the numbers like (3-2-2) etc, on leaders?

This is probably in the manual somewhere but I didn't spot it...

Thanks in advance and apologies if this is a frequently asked question..

[Citizen X]

Manual page 43.

St rategic Rati ng & Acti vati on – Important
Each turn, each Stack commanding officer makes a test based on his Strategic
Rating. If he fails (indicated by a brown envelope icon on the Stack counter and
in the Stack’s Inspection Panel), the leader is deemed inactivated for the coming
Planning Phase and will suffer the following penalties:
• Reduced movement (-35% speed)
• Combat penalties in hostile regions (up to –35%).
• Offensive Posture prohibited (does not affect admirals).
Not being activated can represent delayed orders, over cautiousness, or even
incompetence at the operational level or above.
Note: A very cautious Army commander can even impact negatively the
Activation Check of subordinate Corps commanders.
Technical Note: You may de-activate the activation tests rule in the Options
Menu.
Leaderless troops are always activated, as they don’t have leaders, but suffer from
movement and combat penalties (by lack of CP). They are not prohibited from
assuming Offensive Posture (the unknown colonel commanding is willing to take
action but is not the best man for the job).

Offensive & Defensive Rati ngs
These ratings are used as a bonus in combat when attacking or defending.

First number is the strategic rating
second offensive rating
third defensive rating


There's other calculations being made based on the strategic rating, afaik. Like the speed of entrenching or his command radius.

[kneecaps]

Thanks a lot! That's very helpful.

[GraniteStater]

Strategic covers Activation, which is important, among other capabilities - a six-sided die roll, AFAIK. So a 3 is 50% chance of being active. 6 is always active, if I'm correct, and 1 is a real snoozer.

[Captain_Orso]

Basically correct, but not absolute. There is a very small chance that even a leader with the "6" strategic value can become inactivated. And there is a fairly good chance after very heavy fighting that even a strat-6 leader will be inactivated during the next turn.

Also if a leader is activated there is a small bonus to his dr which means that even strat-3 leaders will tend to stay activated once they are. I'm fairly sure it works the other way around too, otherwise all those 3-1-1 leaders would be just blinking on and off randomly.

Also too, IIRC there is a small bonus for corp of an army if the army commander is activated.

[marquo]

And then there is the misery of having a high rated general with a 4-4-2 rating drop to 2-1-1 when activated to division command....

[Citizen X]

And then there is the misery of having a high rated general with a 4-4-2 rating drop to 2-1-1 when activated to division command....

Just that round though.

[kneecaps]

Good detail Thanks. Okay now i'm sure i've probably missed this one too...but what are the bars on the stack icon itself? Three coloured bars?

[Citizen X]

That's manpower percentage, cohesion percentage and supply percentage.


Where manpower means soldiers, horses and cannons. If you lose through battle or epidemics, this bar goes down, at zero the unit (stack is lost). Funfact: any merged leader leaves the game if this happens. Cohesion means abstract battle readiness. Fatigue, moral that sort of stuff. This makes up the number at the bottom, the battle capability of the entire stack. No cohesion - no cojones. Being out of supply is very bad. You fight much worse, don't replenish ammo (fight even worser) and you lose men (see above).

[Citizen X]

I recommend btw the stickies in the AACW 1 thread. Many of them are still valid.

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?28473-Useful-Threads-for-Beginners

[marquo]

Just that round though.

Please explain, thanks

[GraniteStater]

Basically correct, but not absolute. There is a very small chance that even a leader with the "6" strategic value can become inactivated. And there is a fairly good chance after very heavy fighting that even a strat-6 leader will be inactivated during the next turn.

Also if a leader is activated there is a small bonus to his dr which means that even strat-3 leaders will tend to stay activated once they are. I'm fairly sure it works the other way around too, otherwise all those 3-1-1 leaders would be just blinking on and off randomly.

Also too, IIRC there is a small bonus for corp of an army if the army commander is activated.

Yes, thx for the 411.

That's why it's a good idea to keep Offensive postures in a stack, to retain it next Turn if desired.

[Ace]

Please explain, thanks

When you form division, div commander gets -2/-2/-1 penalties for 15 days until he properly sets up his division command.

[kneecaps]

Thanks for the info on the stack bars. Makes perfect sense.

One last thing. Is it intentional in the Bull Run scenario that it appears impossible (to me at least) to provide a sensible level of command points (i cannot seem to form divisions and don't seem to have any 2 star generals to form corps.)

[Citizen X]

Didn't check in the scenario itself but I think it is true for any scenario that divisions can't be formed until octobre 61 and corps can't be formed before mid 62

[Captain_Orso]

Please explain, thanks

The turn that a leader is given command of a division his ratings are all dropped for the length of that turn while he is organizing that command and getting used to his new roll.

The very next turn all penalties resulting from receiving the division command are lifted.

[Captain_Orso]

Yes, thx for the 411.

That's why it's a good idea to keep Offensive postures in a stack, to retain it next Turn if desired.

ummm.... activated means that the leader does not have the "brownie" and can operate without the -35% penalty to movement and strength in enemy territory.

Whether you are in Offensive Posture or not has nothing to do with it.

[Captain_Orso]

Thanks for the info on the stack bars. Makes perfect sense.

One last thing. Is it intentional in the Bull Run scenario that it appears impossible (to me at least) to provide a sensible level of command points

Yes.

(i cannot seem to form divisions

That's only because you can't . Divisions may be created starting '61 Oct. Early.

and don't seem to have any 2 star generals to form corps.)

And if you did it would not help you with forming up corps. You can only form these starting '62 Mar. Early

[GraniteStater]

ummm.... activated means that the leader does not have the "brownie" and can operate without the -35% penalty to movement and strength in enemy territory.

Whether you are in Offensive Posture or not has nothing to do with it.

Cudda been dropped for CW2, but, in AACW, this was stated clearly (at some point, maybe in the manual) - if the stack were in an Offensive (R/O) posture, the odds of retaining that posture next Turn were improved, not by a lot, but there.

[jedarob]

So glad I saw this. Why can't we get a sticky linking to this in the CWII forum?