Should I force the an end to the war between Great Britain and USA through script?

Poll ended at Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:21 am

Yes, it's ahistorical and compromises the campaign's realism.
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No, let's see where it leads.
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Give them more time, but end it if it goes on for a long time.
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Autumn Comes

Sat May 17, 2014 8:24 am

Autumn comes and the russian forces in East Prussia are still fighting against all odds, but their force is dwindiling as their supply stocks are running lower and lower, I think they'll probably surrender before winter, now I think the russians are planning another offensive aimed at rescuing what's left of their armies surrounded in East Prussia, I can already see an increasing concentration of russian troops in Lithuania, that could only mean that they're planning another offensive before winter.

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Our 4th army will now try to attack Ielgava, so that we can restablish our supply lines in land, as in Riga we're only getting supply by sea now.

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Tensions between Austria and Italy rises after this tragedy, poor Elizabeth, after having lost her son in a strange and suspicious incident, now stabbed to death by an acursed italian anarchist, we must unite our forces to eliminate these evil anarchists from the face of Earth! I really hope the italian king apologizes for this terrible incident...

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The russian surrenders at Modlin and the Third Battle of Riga

Sat May 17, 2014 9:43 am

The russian armies surrounded in East Germany has finally surrended their arms, Vanovski forces are now our prisioners and we have freed a great part of our forces that were tied in this long battle, that began with the Glorious Battle of Königsberg.

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The russians surrended at Modlin as well, and now the 2nd army is also freed to be commited against the enemy on our next offensive.

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Things went bad at Riga though, we lost control over the region and lost contact with the 4th army in russian territory.

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This is the front at the moment, russian forces still resists at the besieged city of Warsaw, the russians somehow seem to have absorbed the loss of their forces at Königsberg in Summer, although we are now clearly in advantage, they are far from beaten as they still have many reserve troops, we have now the goal of saving our 4th army before winter, we seem to have no chance of capturing Riga before winter, so I think this will be left for our Spring offensive next year.

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Sat May 17, 2014 10:19 am

Hey, that's the last Grand Duke of Baden in the picture! (second from the left: Friedrich the II) :thumbsup:

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Sat May 17, 2014 10:28 am

I suspect what you'll find is that the Russians do replace their numbers but quality will drop and you'll find yourself fighting a combination of reserves/militia/line units with no Guards or extra artillery. This is what happened with the Austrian army in my wars with them, that the opening battles they had a well balanced army but later on it was based on quantity and a combination of better units and higher morale etc gave me a real edge.

At least you've ended the real threat to Germany, but its a long way to their major centers (though I did see them make peace with Austria once the Austrians took Kiev).
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Sat May 17, 2014 7:10 pm

Kensai wrote:Hey, that's the last Grand Duke of Baden in the picture! (second from the left: Friedrich the II) :thumbsup:

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Yeah and I think he's in serious problems right now. Our next goal is to save the 4th army from being surrounded and anihilated by russian forces.

I suspect what you'll find is that the Russians do replace their numbers but quality will drop and you'll find yourself fighting a combination of reserves/militia/line units with no Guards or extra artillery. This is what happened with the Austrian army in my wars with them, that the opening battles they had a well balanced army but later on it was based on quantity and a combination of better units and higher morale etc gave me a real edge.

At least you've ended the real threat to Germany, but its a long way to their major centers (though I did see them make peace with Austria once the Austrians took Kiev).


So it's very good to know that, I'd say it's very realistic when this kind of thing happens, it's what happened with many forces during ww1, that's basically what happened with the austrians in ww1, they lost the elite of their forces at the beginning of the war and had to spend the rest of the war counting on the germans. And yes I ended the threat to Germany, now I need to save my 4th army and stabilize the front before winter comes (We'll need to assault Warsaw I guess...).

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Sat May 17, 2014 7:45 pm

Another interesting thing I see in Pon is that we're many times forced to put good generals under bad ones, for example von Der Goltz is a genius, but he hasn't a high seniority so I need to put him under other generals who are rather mediocre, one time I had the chance to condecorate him with a higher seniority, but then the tooltip told me that another general would get angry at that and I would lose vp and morale if I did so, I thought it was quite interesting :)

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The lost of Riga and the great retreat of the 4th Army

Sun May 18, 2014 12:29 am

The russians have retaken Riga and we're still trying to bring our 4th Army to our lines, it's already late November, I hope I can bring the 4th Army to safety before the snow sets in.

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The russian army is assembling a strong army at Litauen, it seems like they are planning to attack, we just don't know when or where they intend to attack.

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We're going to disembark some troops at Kurland to get the russians busy and distract them from our retreating 4th army, it's a very risky move, but if it succeds we'll have a better foothold to proceed with the summer offensive next year, or maybe if they collapse we could even try to make a limited offensive there in winter.

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The russians intercept my 4th Army and The Second Battle of the Gulf of Finland

Sun May 18, 2014 1:41 am

The russians send an army to intercept the retreat from my 4th Army between Polotski and Dvinsk, the 4th army loses a considerable part of its forces and is surrounded by the enemy...

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And at sea our fleet commanded by Hans von Koester manages to defeat a russian fleet and sunk 4 russians steel battleships, this is a great victory for us!

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In land the situation isn't that good, as our 4th army is in great danger in Polotsk...(I didn't expect the russians to be so clever to try this move intercepting my retreating forces so promptly, I'm afraid I may lose the 4th army...)

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We're sending the newly assembled 7th Army commanded by Prinz Leopold von Bayern to rescue the 4th army from russian lands. I trust in our prince to save our dear soldiers from the grip of the russians!

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Another Winter comes...

Sun May 18, 2014 8:36 am

So another winter comes and we suffered a severe loss while fighting to save the 4th army from being encircled. Thanks to Prince Leopold's 7th army we managed to save a part of the 4th army, but the most of the army was lost in russian desolate winter, the 4th army will have to be rebuilt almost from scratch.

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This is the current situation on the east front, at least our landings in Libau were sucessful and we managed to get a good thrust from which to have a good starting point for our planned spring offensive next year. Unfortunately it seems that we'll still have to "clean the front" as the russian garrison in Warsaw is still resisting there.

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Sun May 18, 2014 8:41 am

Oh, I forgot to mention that the russians surrendered at Galicia after a long siege.

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Bagdadbahn

Sun May 18, 2014 9:33 am

This will surelly bring the ottomans closer to us and will expand our influence over the world! It would be very interesting if the Ottomans attacked russia on the caucasus, but we don't want to involve other nations in this war, as we have already convinced the french to not get involved so that our allies don't get involved as well, although I'm quite aprehensive about the meetings between the french and the russians, I think the russians are pressing the french to enter the war on their side...

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Sun May 18, 2014 11:08 pm

You've done well to drive the Russians back, but I would suspect that their next round of mobilisation will mean a lot of new units appear (fortunately reserves not regulars). Making friends with the Ottomans sounds a good idea too
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Sun May 18, 2014 11:46 pm

loki100 wrote:You've done well to drive the Russians back, but I would suspect that their next round of mobilisation will mean a lot of new units appear (fortunately reserves not regulars). Making friends with the Ottomans sounds a good idea too


Hi Roger, good to see you around. Yes it was great (but hard!) to drive the russians out of Poland, I'm still fighting to make their Warsaw garrison surrender, but the greatest threat in East Prussia is gone. We have also ordered another round of mobilization, our ratio of power at the moment is 100-70 in my favor, so we're in a rather confortable position now compared to what we were in Summer, there's still much to be done to defeat them and I don't want to turn this conflict into a world war, so that's why I fear the french might want to enter the war, what would probably bring my allies in as well.

Our relation with the Ottomans is quite good (50+), I think that what it doesn't go much beyond that because of our alliance with Italy, those italians have a lot of interest in Ottoman's held territories.

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Mon May 19, 2014 3:42 pm

Since summer is coming, I would go to the offensive. If your forces are up to the task you could launch a late spring offensive to get Saint Petersburg before next winter arrives. Even if that fails, it is probably your only chance to force them into dealing a peace agreement.

Sometimes, I wish we had more "reaction events" when the AI could sense opportunities and attempt entry in war or other actions. Theoretically almost everything can be abstracted with the right conditions. ;)
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Mon May 19, 2014 4:56 pm

The have already offered peace, but that's not what HerrDan wants, right? :) And yes, in the real world France should have joined in, by 1899 their alliance with Russia was already in place IIRC, just GB was not on board yet.

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Mon May 19, 2014 7:43 pm

Well it would have been a complicated situation (and rather favorable to Germany), France had it's alliance with Russia already, but the tripple alliance was quite stronger (Italy wasn't in such a good terms with France) and Great Britain was busy and still in not good terms with the french, so I think even in real life the french would think twice before attacking and having to face austria and italy together. So, in my game I abstracted the fact that Austria and Italy would threaten to intervene and this would keep the french out.

Yes they had already offered some peace treaties, I have about 105 victory points over them, I need 215 to free Finland :D Kensai if you want to prepare an AI reaction to my victories against Russia, feel free to do so, just keep in mind that things in my game are a bit different from real life (french and the british still have very bad relations etc), but you can ask me if you have doubt about something and I'd be eager to test your AI reaction :)

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Diplomatic moves

Tue May 20, 2014 1:28 am

We have finally reached a consensus on the situation in Samoa, what is really good in this moment as we must avoid problems with other nations while we're busy fighting Russia.

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The british seems to be very busy in Africa, they're at war with Assante and Ndebele, our relation with Great Britain (as with France) is sour at the moment, it's good to know that the british and the french don't trust each other, so that I don't need to fear an approximation between them in the current situation, as that would represent a big problem for us at the moment.

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Our relation with the Ottomans has improved a great deal since our last meeting and the plan for Bagdadbahn project was devised, but unfortunately we'll have to choose between them and the italians when it comes to sign a defensive treaty, the rumanians moved away from us after the Pangermanic movement gained strenght within our empire, I guess they're not happy with the current situation in Europe.

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PS: Kensai, this post can be specially useful if you really intend to devise an AI reaction to my current situation, if you have any other doubt about how the world is going in my game you can just ask me. :)
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January starts with defeats on land and sea

Tue May 20, 2014 2:11 am

Ernst von der Planitz chose the wrong path and was intercepted by russian forces in Warsaw in its way to Kowel, suffering heavy losses, we have to strict control thiese kind of independent actions led by anxious commanders!

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Careless naval planning and an underestimation of the enemy led to heavy losses on the sea, the russians went as far as the gulf of Danzig! It's outrageous that our naval admirals can be so careless as to not defend our coast properly! The russians are not defeated yet! This battle increased substantially the russian morale and with good reason! How could it happen?? We lost 13 cruisers!!! It's unacceptable that something like this could have happened! Tirpitz will have to explain it to me!

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Tue May 20, 2014 6:45 am

whoops :)

seems as if Russia is not finished yet ...
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Tue May 20, 2014 7:08 am

loki100 wrote:whoops :)

seems as if Russia is not finished yet ...


Definitelly not! Now that Spring is near I shall resume our offensive operations with care and without underestimating the enemy, specially now that international pressure is upon us we must proceed with care or maybe the finns will have to wait a little longer for their independence...

PS: I have some new very important news to report, but as I've just had dinner I closed the game for my "siesta" (my father's family is spanish ;) ), and consequently won't be able to post screenshots, so soon I'll be posting a new report here. :D

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Battle of Warsaw and recent events

Tue May 20, 2014 9:53 am

Finally in February we have defeated the strong russian garrison in Warsaw, we had a very high rate of casualties in the battle, so this will centainly affect our next planned offensive, maybe Blumenthal should have waited a little longer to assault the fortress, but patience is centaily not one of his virtues (those who know Blumenthal, centainly know that I'm talking about), all in all it was an important victory, so I don't have much to complain about my general.

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The russians have retaken all territories beyond the Niemen river and they started an offensive against the southern wing of our forces in this end of Winter. We're still thinking about how to deal with this offensive, some of our generals think it's better to let them advance beyond their supply lines and then surround their forces, like we did in the Battle of Königsberg, and others think it's better to hold the territories we conquered at all cost and then counter attack them. I just hope my generals make the best decision and defeat the russian threat.

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Surprisingly enough the United States have offered Spain a peace treaty, I still don't know what was decided in the peace treaty, but I can see that Cuba is firmly in spanish hands, so that leads me to the conclusion that the americans have lost the war. Maybe they have stepped back because we were openly supporting the spanish and we have just come to an agreement with them regarding the control of Samoa in which we gave them a part of the islands. In any case I think it was a wise decision and a great outcome for us, as we wouldn't really care to support the spanish beyond the political sphere as our armies are very busy and we can't spare any force to help anyone...

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The Second Boer War has started, one of my advisors has told me that Orange has declared war on Great Britain! (or the british declared war on them, I don't really know for sure as I was busy looking at my war maps when he told me...)
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Second Battle of the Gulf of Danzig and Battle of Baltic Sea

Tue May 20, 2014 9:05 pm

Tirpitz and his epic beard never fails to amaze me, he has now crushed the russian fleet in two amazing victories at sea! I can say that now we have command of sea in this war again! The russians admirals must be drinking vodka somewhere in Crimea, as I haven't seen any of them since the start of this war.

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The russians are commiting a strong army against our southern wing and we're commiting our 8th army to stop halt their advance. We have also commited some cavalry units to advance through the south, avoiding strong enemy positions and taking weakly defended regions.

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Battle of Mohilev and Battle of Wilna

Tue May 20, 2014 9:53 pm

We have halted the russian offensive against our southern wing in the Battle of Mohilev, the russian forces have retreated to Minsk, our bavarian units fought bravely commanded by our great Prince Leopold!

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And with the start of our Spring Offensive we have started an attack with the goal of capturing Wilna.

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Advancing towards Kiev

Tue May 20, 2014 11:27 pm

We have launched an offensive towards Kiev as the Baltic Front is stable and I belive most of the russians forces are concentrated in the Baltic, so we intend to extend the front towards Ukraine.

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We have bombarbed the defenses of the russian fortress of Brest-Litovsk, but it's as they have strong fortifications there we intend to keep bombarding it until the garrison surrender in order to avoid the high casualties involved in assaulting a fortresses like this.

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Wed May 21, 2014 8:08 am

Tirpitz's beard is indeed giving you a massive advantage in those naval actions ...

as to the war on land, mostly going in your favour but you don't want too many victories like Mohilev or you'll be badly weakened by attrition
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Wed May 21, 2014 8:32 am

loki100 wrote:Tirpitz's beard is indeed giving you a massive advantage in those naval actions ...

as to the war on land, mostly going in your favour but you don't want too many victories like Mohilev or you'll be badly weakened by attrition


Yeah, we can't sustain this kind of "victories" in the long run, sometimes I think as we're winning the war it'd possible be better to start fighting a defensive war, like trench warfare/war of atrition just to keep the territories we already conquered and cause the enemy a lot of casualties until they offer a good peace...

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Wed May 21, 2014 9:51 am

This could work, but I am not sure if it is good in the long run as two nations in war always benefits the rest of them in peace, trade-wise. I think you should work aggressively to take/liberate Finland as soon as possible.
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Wed May 21, 2014 5:56 pm

Kensai wrote:This could work, but I am not sure if it is good in the long run as two nations in war always benefits the rest of them in peace, trade-wise. I think you should work aggressively to take/liberate Finland as soon as possible.


I'll try to meet with the swedes representatives this month to discuss the liberation of Finland as it really interest them, we shall decide on their borders and future support the new released nation is going to need in the future and we're eager to help them ;)

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Wed May 21, 2014 5:57 pm

But before it we need to defeat the russians!

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The russians broke through our lines

Thu May 22, 2014 5:43 am

The russians have counterattacked us, breaking our lines in Borisov and Slonim forcing our troops to retreat. At least we managed to inflict severe losses on them in Borisov, but the 2nd army wasn't as successful and we had to postpone the attack on Brest-Litovsk.

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One good new is that at least our Kriegsmarine still in complete command of the seas.

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The front after this series of battles, another good thing is that I saw some rebels controlling territories near Kiew, what shows us that there are others as discontent with the Tsar as the Finns, I hope they can see us as saviors!

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