Elite Type Element

[Darksky]

Playing 4 Imperators with Otho.
I have 1 pratorian legion. Its elements are defined as ELITE but i don't see nothing "eliting" in their stats, compared to standard legion. The only big difference from standard legion is that preatorian element loss (or replacement build) costs 5NM. Even if this could be realistic because it forces me to keep pratorian ini Rome away from battles and use them as last resource in the last stand for Rome, i still don't understand the lacking of special "elitish" abilities or stats.
Is the 5NM malus the only difference for elite element ?

[Ech Heftag]

Playing 4 Imperators with Otho.
I have 1 pratorian legion. Its elements are defined as ELITE but i don't see nothing "eliting" in their stats, compared to standard legion. The only big difference from standard legion is that preatorian element loss (or replacement build) costs 5NM. Even if this could be realistic because it forces me to keep pratorian ini Rome away from battles and use them as last resource in the last stand for Rome, i still don't understand the lacking of special "elitish" abilities or stats.
Is the 5NM malus the only difference for elite element ?

"elite" troops are often nothing more than glorified police units. This is especially true for the Praetorians, whose only real deed was to bring a lot of Emperors an untimely death.

This changed only with the army reforms of Diocletian and his successors, who began to establish a permanent, well-trained professional cadre of troops that accompanied the Emperor at all times and which was mainly used as a rapid response force against all the pretenders and rebels inside the Empire or to repel the eventual Barbarian invasion now and then. But the late Empire is currently not covered in the game, so the stats of the Praetorians are completely fine in my book.

[Bohémond]

Ech Heftag has answered better tahn I can do.

Praetorians will not share replacements with others infantry elements. They are a special unit and you should use them like a lambda legion.

Regards

[ERISS]

Playing 4 Imperators
I have 1 pratorian legion. Its elements are defined as ELITE but i don't see nothing "eliting" in their stats, compared to standard legion. The only big difference from standard legion is that preatorian element loss (or replacement build) costs 5NM. , i still don't understand the lacking of special "elitish" abilities or stats.

"elite" troops are often nothing more than glorified police units. This is especially true for the Praetorians,
the late Empire is currently not covered in the game, so the stats of the Praetorians are completely fine

Ech Heftag has answered better tahn I can do.
Praetorians will not share replacements with others infantry elements. They are a special unit and you should use them like a lambda legion.

Praetorians were at first those who could be 'stashed' from combat, staying Rome, for political/economical reasons, so they had nothing special in military value. The 'elite' word should be removed here.
The cost of 5NM is maybe too high, as those police were not liked by everybody. It should cost 3NM and 5VP maybe.

[pantsukki]

They are a special unit and you should use them like a lambda legion.

Use them like a what?

[yellow ribbon]

Lambda ( Lamda, Lanta, Labda, Λάμδα; Majuskel Λ, Minuskel λ

its a mathematical placeholder (you just know its different from any vector zero) and else

here he means, [color="#FFFF00"]only to use it in case of need[/color].

its not substituting battle legions (heavy infantry) even if it could from the stats, and if lost devilish expensive therefor

[Darksky]

Thanks for hystory lesson but i already know what were praetorian

My bad if my starting post was not clear but what i was trying to say is that "Elite" word is misleading here.

In real life warfare and then in 99% of wargame/boardgame, an Elite Force is a unit with combat capabilities above the average, for sure.

[yellow ribbon]

Thanks for hystory lesson but i already know what were praetorian

My bad if my starting post was not clear but what i was trying to say is that "Elite" word is misleading here.

In real life warfare and then in 99% of wargame/boardgame, an Elite Force is a unit with combat capabilities above the average, for sure.

i feel with you, but this is a traditional differentiation in AGEOD games. its simply describing a different kind of troops. I think, since romans are on the top of the food chain in this game, there will never be a clear distinction regarding their stats and the stats of legions/experienced legions.
so the only way to make them clearly differing from heavy infantry is that kind of moral penalty. therefor you need a second slot for this replacements and "Elite" is a traditional slot which probably was simply free.

of course its misleading, but i cant imagine other things like another name in the tooltip for AIE. maybe they can think about this. but how to name it then, "more expensive heavy infantry" is a bit long

[Darksky]

Something near "Guard" maybe lesser painful and misleading (even if still a little bit misleading :P)

[ERISS]

Something near "Guard" maybe lesser painful and misleading (even if still a little bit misleading :P)

Yes, even better than "Special".
Here "Elite" seems a roman propaganda name, not a gameplay one.

[yellow ribbon]

Yes, even better than "Special".
Here "Elite" seems a roman propaganda name, not a gameplay one.

just an opinion, but "guard" is visually very related to the fortress icon which represents urban milita chips...
also maybe something close to the latin names,

anything similar to cohors praetoria but with a more clear distinction to normal cohorts

or

statores as it should been seen for its policing character ?

[ERISS]

Ok they were elite: as civilian, not military. They had their roman way of life and/or their political leader, very successfull for them why they're called (civilian) elite, to be defended, mainly against civilian threats (other romans, wanting to change the leader or the way of wealth)
(civilian elite-based like our nowadays special forces, which are based on successfull people agreeing to defend themselves their way of life).