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Play with Ukraine from the start. MINI -MOD

Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:16 pm

I have made this mini-mod just to make possible a dream of one member of the forum. ;)

Add the scn file to the scens folder
Add the event file to the events folder.

And play! If you select UKR in second turn will appear its armies as do in the normal campaign game but sooner.
It is possible also build some troops.

There are no options or events for UKR.
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Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:34 pm

:w00t: if this campaign realy working and I am your debtor can ask what you want. Usually within a reasonable :thumbsup:

I usually did not expect that from me make my work, I expected the advice and assistance of associates. :cool:

DYAKUYU VAM, ДЯКУЮ ВАМ (THANK YOU from Ukraine) (Sorry for caps)

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:03 am

What are the UKR played? that's only the petliurists? (ukranian nationalists from the north-west).
Then you should tell only a part of ukranian are played.

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:27 am

Yes Eriss, just as is the event. i dont know nothing about Ucraine history, just change the game to allow play with Ucraine in the campaing scenary.

yoperesete for me was easy to make this, even funny. De nada (you're welcome from Spain),


i supossed you were ucranian ;)
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:08 pm

yoperesete try with this script file, and in EDIT mode.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:38 pm

ERISS wrote:What are the UKR played? that's only the petliurists? (ukranian nationalists from the north-west).
Then you should tell only a part of ukranian are played.


Sorry, I'm afraid to offend the forum that helped me, but will you also do not really know the history of Ukraine.
Petlyurіst army consisted of volunteers, the volunteers of Central and Eastern Ukraine (Nadnipryanska) that was part of Ukraine People`s Republic. While "ukranian nationalists from the north-west" could not be)

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:30 pm

yoperesete wrote:Petlyurіst army consisted of volunteers, the volunteers of Central and Eastern Ukraine (Nadnipryanska) that was part of Ukraine People`s Republic. While "ukranian nationalists from the north-west" could not be)

Ok. As I'm used to makhnovists (who were more volunteers from **Eastern** Ukraine than Petlyurists), for me all other ukranians are from the north-west.
But it does not seem to answer: What are those ukranians in the mod? only the petliurists?

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:35 pm

I think yes, only the petliurists.
I found easy to add them just changint the date in their event.
Are there more in another events? could be easily changed and added.
Anyway it is possible to build new units.
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Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:07 pm

ERISS wrote:Ok. As I'm used to makhnovists (who were more volunteers from **Eastern** Ukraine than Petlyurists), for me all other ukranians are from the north-west.
But it does not seem to answer: What are those ukranians in the mod? only the petliurists?

for me, the Ukrainian army in this period is primarily UPR army and Ukrainian Galician Army http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Galician_Army
Makhnovists was Ukrainian, but were primarily anarchists. Yep, their are from South East Ukraine, from Hulyai Pole )

I'm talking about volunteers Petliura it at the end of 1917 - beginning in 1918 (the beginning of the script). These volunteers were Haydamatskyj Kish of Sloboda Ukraine (in Kharkiv). Kharkiv is Eastern Ukraine =) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symon_Petliura
For later UPR army was regular.

The developers have made a mistake when in June 1918 in Ukraine faction was Army Petlyura. In June 1918 Petliura was not in the government and army.
The head of state was hetman Skoropadsky. From the Division of military units were division of Serdyuks, Zaporozhian Corps, then resumed Sich Riflemen. During the summer, was created cadres for to mobilization in 8 Army Corps.
History Ukraine in this period is very interestyng. Maybe even write a script )

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Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:57 pm

yoperesete wrote:I'm talking about volunteers Petliura it at the end of 1917 - beginning in 1918 (the beginning of the script). These volunteers were Haydamatskyj Kish of Sloboda Ukraine (in Kharkiv). Kharkiv is Eastern Ukraine =) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symon_Petliura
History Ukraine in this period is very interestyng.

Ok, I didn't know Petliura started its army on the very North from Makhno one, exactly same East line.
Sure yeah i think so: like the chinese historians say, this 'chaos' is very interesting.

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yoperesete wrote:Makhnovists was Ukrainian, but were primarily anarchists.

Yes. Ukrainian, for anarchists, is no more than geography.
But, if they don't want human borders, anarchists know geography, and tell that geography reality makes politics (the 1st geopolitic atlas, E.Reclus "New universal Geography", is anarchist, almost 150 years ago).

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Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:56 am

And Poland??

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Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:31 pm

How did add new region in scenario and if i will add polish region, faction POL will be active?
How add in game new general ?
How to up 1-star general to 2- or 3-star general?

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Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:00 pm

Add regions only could be done with the exmap tool and a really good comprehesion of how is the design of the game.
Add new general means create its different pictures, its model, and its unit.
To up a general to more stars directly or by promotion? promotion means create more models and units.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:42 am

I dont know how add new general correct so I give information here.

Vsesolod Petriv - general of UNR Army, commander of Hordienko Regiment (3500 mens, 1 cavalry Bde, 2 infantry Bde and maybe some artillery). Location Kiev.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vsevolod_Petrov

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:01 am

Sorry for my english. I believe I need to add these generals at least for some authenticity script.
Generals who commanded Army:
Mykhailo Omelianovych Pavlenko - Commander Army UNR and UHA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykhailo_Omelianovych-Pavlenko
and Grekov need to do for the Army General http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksander_Hrekov he is commander UHA
Myron Tarnavsky - Commander of 2nd Corps of UHA and then commanded UHA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myron_Tarnavsky


Headquarter generals:
Mykola Yunakiv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Yunakiv and Vasyl Tiutiunnyk
http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%8E%D1%82%D1%8E%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%9D%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
worked in the headquarters of the Army and then commanded UNR Army
Volodymyr Sinclair http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Sinclair


Corps general:
Volodymyr Salsky - commander of Zaporizhia Corps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Salsky
and Konovalets need to do for the Corps General but he is only colonel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevhen_Konovalets
http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
and Bolbochan need to do for the Corps General but he is only colonel to. he is a commander of Zaporizhya Corps http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

Comander corps of UHA
Osyp Mykytka -commander of 1st Corps of UHA http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%9E%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BF
Antin Kraws - commander of 3d Corps of UHA http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81_%D0%90%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%96%D0%BD
they were originally colonels, generals laterю

Div. generals:
Marko Bezruchko - He commanded the 6th Ukrainian Infantry Division, but he is only colonel to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marko_Bezruchko
Oleksandr Udovychenko comannded 3rd "Iron" Infantry Division, but he is only colonel. to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksandr_Udovychenko
Yurii Tiutiunnyk Rebel commander and commander of division http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurii_Tiutiunnyk
Andrij Hulyj-Hulenko http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%93%D1%83%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%96%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D1%96%D0%B9%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
Zagrodckyi Oleksandr commander of division. http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80_%D0%9E%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
Eroshevych Petro, commander of division. http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%84%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8F%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:15 am

Leibstandarte wrote:Add regions only could be done with the exmap tool and a really good comprehesion of how is the design of the game.
Add new general means create its different pictures, its model, and its unit.
To up a general to more stars directly or by promotion? promotion means create more models and units.


I want add new regions that are in the game to the scenario with Ukraine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War
i will add polish region, faction POL will be active?
I want to improve some generals could command armies and corps, and some that could command the lower divisions only.
Also wanted to add generals that I pointed out in a previous post.
I do it myself just don`t know in which files and what changes doing. I hope for your help with what I can do it.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:19 pm

If i dont missunderstand what you want is to change the property of some poland regions to be ukranian regions. Thats easy i can show you how to do.
Poland wont be active, there is some changes to be done for that in the script file as i did with Ukrania.

The generals issue is more complicated.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:56 pm

Leibstandarte wrote:The generals issue is more complicated.


Well forget about until regions of Poland and Ukraine :bonk:
Let's turn to generals.
Which files need to change that raise or lower the generals that already have a in the game?
What files you want to create and what files need to be changed to create new generals?

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:01 pm

This sounds some crazy but Ukraine had also one Marine regiment. First Gucul Marine regiment (2500 mens) but his was created in november-december 1918, maybe they will be in game by event?

Also picture and commander.

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Colonel Nicogda, sorry but I dont have english version.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:39 pm

If you only want to change the stars of a commander is easy, just tell me who you want to upgrade.
If you want anew one, thats more complicated.
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Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:02 pm

Since generals who are already in the game need to improve:
Grekov was able to command the corps, then commanded the army
Tarnavsky was able to command the corps, then commanded the army
Konovalets was able to command the corps
Bolbochan was able to command the corps.

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Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:30 pm

by the way of the image of the Ukrainian army)

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D1 sergeant of 1-st Grey Div.
D2 commander of the guerrilla group
D3 ranker of regiment "Black Zaporozhians"
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E1 officer of the General Staff Army of UNR
E2 chief Otaman (genetal or marshal) Symon Petlira
E3 junior lieutenant of First Gucul Marine regiment (about which you remembered :w00t :)
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F1 ranker cavalry
F2 Lieutenant Colonel cavalry USS brigade
F3 policeman of ZUNR[/spoiler]

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Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:47 am

plz help :confused:
I created a new file with the new General in a folders RUS\GameData\Unit and RUS\GameData\Model and addet to file Units.Cached and Models.Cached; created in the relevant folders portrait for a new general. But ....
After I added general to the script he appears as a supply
WTF? What have I done wrong?

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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:10 pm

yoperesete wrote:plz help :confused:
I created a new file with the new General in a folders RUS\GameData\Unit and RUS\GameData\Model and addet to file Units.Cached and Models.Cached; created in the relevant folders portrait for a new general. But ....
After I added general to the script he appears as a supply
WTF? What have I done wrong?


You have to update the alias file for models and for units.
Delete the units.cached and models.cached (save a copy before) and execute the game in EDIT mode (F9)
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Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:21 pm

Vasyl Veryha's book "Vyzvolni Zmahannia v Ukrayini 1914-1923" is a godsend, it includes details of every recruited regiment, Ukrainised divisions, their locations and in many cases their morale, fate, disposition and overall fighting capabilities.

Doing an undergraduate dissertation in the Ukrainian fight for independence 1914-1923 (focusing on UHA-for non-Ukrainians Ukrainian Halych Army)

I fear the allegiance system including negotiations between Ukrainians and Poles, French, Denikin, Makhno, Greens and various factions of Reds (Ukrainian Borotbists, Ukrainian Russian Communists, Ukrainian Ukrainian Communists and Lenin himself) would prove rather complex. For the time being locking the French in Odessa and Simferopol seems a good enough idea in preventing them from advancing on the axis Odessa-Volyn-Minsk-Pskov-Petrograd (oh believe you me it happened)

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Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:45 pm

If I understanding correctly here I can download mod with playable Ukraine? (I mean it`s not updated to more advanced mode with events and historical armies and generals)

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Tue Dec 25, 2012 5:53 pm

BCuda wrote:If I understanding correctly here I can download mod with playable Ukraine? (I mean it`s not updated to more advanced mode with events and historical armies and generals)


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Tue Dec 25, 2012 7:01 pm

Thanks! And thank you Leibstandarte for helping peoples to know how those mods must be done.
I hope someday we`ll see "absolutely" playable Ukraine with a lot of events.

P.S.: Great job with SCW. Can`t wait to play.

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