Removal of Czech troops in 1918

[wulfhund]

Sorry if this has been asked already, just curious as to why the choice was made to remove the bulk of the Czech legion (and no event mentioning it) in the main campaign in November 1918 when the main evacuations and handing over of the gold trains didn't occur until 1920?

Was a bit of a shock suddenly finding several leaders without troops when the first world war ended, lol.

[Kev_uk]

Hi,
Just curious, but is it possible to have the actual 'full' campaign, starting with Kaledins revolt and formation of the Volunteer Army on the Don? Currently we have 'Ice March', but that runs only till June 1918, then we have the Grand Campaign starting a few months later. Be quite interesting to have the full history and the formation of the Red Army, etc. Its only, what an extra 15 or so turns? Are there too many OOB changes for this though?

Thank you.

[StephenT]

Sorry if this has been asked already, just curious as to why the choice was made to remove the bulk of the Czech legion (and no event mentioning it) in the main campaign in November 1918 when the main evacuations and handing over of the gold trains didn't occur until 1920?

After Admiral Kolchak's coup, the Czechs took no further part in the war. From 'Russia's Civil War' by G Swain:

"Many members of the Czechoslovak Legion found this persecution of the SRs [by Kolchak] difficult to stomach; they had, after all, fought side by side in the overthrow of the Bolsheviks. Although General Gadja had sided with Kolchak, the Czechoslovak National Council, which represented the army rank and file, was much less enthusiastic. On 21 November [1918] it met in Chelyabinsk and advised soldiers not to cooperate with the coup-makers nor to obey orders from pro-Kolchak officers. There were mutinies in December as soldiers committees in parts of the Fifth and Sixth Czechoslovak Regments, and the entire Seventh Regiment, refused to go to the front. News of the Omsk Massacre [on 22 December] caused further protests and in January 1919 the Czechoslovak Legion left the front to take up policing duties on the Trans-Siberian Railway."

[Seb]

Sorry if this has been asked already, just curious as to why the choice was made to remove the bulk of the Czech legion (and no event mentioning it) in the main campaign in November 1918 when the main evacuations and handing over of the gold trains didn't occur until 1920?

Was a bit of a shock suddenly finding several leaders without troops when the first world war ended, lol.

There is an event explaining it. We have to correct this quickly !

[wulfhund]

Edit: Thanks, you got your reply in before I could.

Fair enough, wouldn't it be better represented if there be more of an event to that effect though instead of just as a footnote to Kolchak's event?

I don't know a lot of what happened and am glad the game has given me a desire to learn a more. The more I read though it seems like a very abrupt ending for this large group of guys (~70,000) who ended up assigned to guard the railroad (from 'bandits' of all kinds I would assume) and according to some accounts were given directives to assist the allied expeditionary force, not to mention who ultimately gave up Kolchak and most of the gold train in order to get free of the whole mess.

After Admiral Kolchak's coup, the Czechs took no further part in the war. From 'Russia's Civil War' by G Swain:

"Many members of the Czechoslovak Legion found this persecution of the SRs [by Kolchak] difficult to stomach; they had, after all, fought side by side in the overthrow of the Bolsheviks. Although General Gadja had sided with Kolchak, the Czechoslovak National Council, which represented the army rank and file, was much less enthusiastic. On 21 November [1918] it met in Chelyabinsk and advised soldiers not to cooperate with the coup-makers nor to obey orders from pro-Kolchak officers. There were mutinies in December as soldiers committees in parts of the Fifth and Sixth Czechoslovak Regments, and the entire Seventh Regiment, refused to go to the front. News of the Omsk Massacre [on 22 December] caused further protests and in January 1919 the Czechoslovak Legion left the front to take up policing duties on the Trans-Siberian Railway."

[Gray_Lensman]

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