Austrian campaign

[Baris]

I tried many attemps as Prussia but it was very difficult and most of them was failure. I pick Austria this time and i had my first victory against ai . Well it had no detection and activation, mainly no bunuses but giving ai only extra time. i had also extra time for myself it is sometimes better to start from down and slowly climb the ladder.
During the campaign ai was pretty opportunistic due to her low manpower and army tried to concentrate her forces and try to cut down supply lines when it is possible . but when sweden declare war James keith got some of his troops likely 12000 men and try to storm and assault the swedish. on the eastern front prussian general try to assault russians even he has no chance(but in central germany she didnt do any suicidial attacks and attacks were logical-even human player gey confused which city to protect with few troops).With the help of general Daun i had many fights with Frederick(55000-60000 armies) which was very good and enjoyable. finally i conquered berlin and magneburg with french and russian troops. overrally it was very good game,but i will try again with giving ai more bonuses,
but for pbem play i think it needs more balance about those austrian allies with so much force entering theater.[ATTACH]12027[/ATTACH]

[Bertram]

I am not sure yet about the balance of the game.... I am playing Prussia in a pbem game, and I am actually "winning". It is spring 1759, so the end is a long time off, but I have more VP (3100 against 1800), and my morale is 122 against 75 (!).
As Prussian you don't have to keep all terrain you get at the start - I am losing lots of it - as long as you make it costly for the Austrian player, and you manage to keep hanging on to the few main cities you need to have (Berlin of course, Hanover maybe...).

[Baris]

Indeed is along game.My first impression when i started was that(which i wasnt familiar with ageod games before)maybe its a bit shorter in turns.but after playing 20 or 30 turns it turned out it is a long and complicated game and you have to do many arrangements for the armies and logistics.i tried prussians side but i give up after some strategic cities lost but i must be more patient
im reading your AAR and it is excellent and detailed. from your aar and as playing Austrian side i learned more about army organization and corps as it throws armies you to manage even some mistakes are forgivable . when i played prussia i try to defend most of the fronts which is ofcourse impossible then i have to concentrate forces in small theater and come back again for revenge also after a while war wearness effects so you can not be too much low in morale if you didnt lost most of your armies so it balances it out.
Victory point and morale is very good in your game.

[squarian]

During the campaign ai was pretty opportunistic due to her low manpower and army tried to concentrate her forces and try to cut down supply lines when it is possible

That sounds like a really major improvement in the AI - in past incarnations, it hasn't done a very good job of concentrating a main force, preferring to fight guerrilla-style with small detachments running all over the map (and often led by the CinC himself, whether Frederick, Washington or RE Lee). Naturally, an enemy which refused to concentrate made the game pretty one-sided for a methodical human player. Glad to hear your observation!

but for pbem play i think it needs more balance about those austrian allies with so much force entering theater.

I'm interested in this, but I'm not sure I understand - what do you mean by "balance"? Do you mean the Austrian side gets too many troops? In my game with Bertram, I've certainly noticed a quality vs. quantity disparity - on several occasions I've massed overwhelming force vs. the Prussians only to either fail to take my objective or else gain it through sheer bloody-minded attrition (and the VP total is now so lopsided from these Pyrrhic victories that it probably doesn't matter whether I gain the objective anyway).

In other words, as the Austrians, I need quantity! I feel like the Chinese on the Yalu - I push the enemy back and eventually take the hill, but I leave it covered with hordes of my dead!

[squarian]

I am actually "winning". It is spring 1759, so the end is a long time off, but I have more VP (3100 against 1800), and my morale is 122 against 75 (!).

Just you wait! We're working on a deal with the Turks - a dozen archduchesses for the seraglio in return for 100,000 cannon fodder - then we'll see about VPs!

[squarian]

when i played prussia i try to defend most of the fronts which is ofcourse impossible then i have to concentrate forces in small theater and come back again for revenge

"Wer alles conserviren will, der conserviret nicht", as Fritz himself put it.

[Baris]

That sounds like a really major improvement in the AI - in past incarnations, it hasn't done a very good job of concentrating a main force, preferring to fight guerrilla-style with small detachments running all over the map (and often led by the CinC himself, whether Frederick, Washington or RE Lee). Naturally, an enemy which refused to concentrate made the game pretty one-sided for a methodical human player. Glad to hear your observation!



I'm interested in this, but I'm not sure I understand - what do you mean by "balance"? Do you mean the Austrian side gets too many troops? In my game with Bertram, I've certainly noticed a quality vs. quantity disparity - on several occasions I've massed overwhelming force vs. the Prussians only to either fail to take my objective or else gain it through sheer bloody-minded attrition (and the VP total is now so lopsided from these Pyrrhic victories that it probably doesn't matter whether I gain the objective anyway).

In other words, as the Austrians, I need quantity! I feel like the Chinese on the Yalu - I push the enemy back and eventually take the hill, but I leave it covered with hordes of my dead!

Thanks, well it looked like good ai,i didnt fight their armies straight, i just storm their cities and Frederick were out of supply and he was confused where to go but he orginized his army and was concentrated with a big force,i said keith attacked swedish even that was plausible because i couldnt organize. and later british general was trying maintain big force like 30000, even most of the cities were occupied by me.

i will try again playing prussia side