A couple of questions about Sweden & Poland

[Knight of the Realm]

The Prussians (or their allies at least) have managed to evict my Swedish Army from Pomerania...

I wasn't able to re-reinforce them whilst they were losing (I seemed to have three Military options for me to do so, but none worked! I had sufficient EP, but whenever I selected the option nothing happened! I tried this once when I still had an Army in Stralsand, and once when its remnants were in Bergen... What was I doing wrong?)

Also, I was hoping to rebuild my Swedes and send them back into the fray, but the ship seems permanently locked, and I am unable to build any boats... Consequently I have not rebuilt the Swedes, and my leaders and few remaining units sit useless in Malmoe.

Is there anyway I can get Sweden back into the fray?


Poland is neutral? How do I use my Russian Army to attack the Prussians across Poland? I can't get enough supply to feed my armies, even with a depot in Poland...

Still really enjoying the game. It's taking up my life, which is a bad sign! (I should be looking for a job! )

[PhilThib]

We shall check to see what we can do if the Swedes are evicted. The effect was not planned, but for me it's almost WAD: if the Swedes had lost their last holding in Pommerania, they would just have withdrawn from the war IMHO..

Poland is "neutral", but you can move the Russians (and Prussians too) through it without any problem. You cannot attack POL cities though. No reason why you should not be able to build depots (anywhere in Poland except where they have toops)

[Knight of the Realm]

We shall check to see what we can do if the Swedes are evicted. The effect was not planned, but for me it's almost WAD: if the Swedes had lost their last holding in Pommerania, they would just have withdrawn from the war IMHO..

Poland is "neutral", but you can move the Russians (and Prussians too) through it without any problem. You cannot attack POL cities though. No reason why you should not be able to build depots (anywhere in Poland except where they have toops)

I think it would be fair that when (or if) Sweden get evicted they are out of the war for good (and perhaps some official declaration/treaty in the game would be useful); that would certainly be my hope if I attacked them as Prussia, but I was unable to reinforce them from Sweden before their final eviction... It would be nice to at least be able to throw a few more bodies into the fray before falling to ignominious defeat! (and what about those three military options for support/brigade in Pomerania? If Stralsand is besieged (by land only) the options become null and void?)

Okay, that makes sense; I built a depot near Elbing in the North of Poland, but it wasn't enough to enable my troops to survive, so I pushed the remnants back to Konigsberg... I guess I will have to build bigger depots, and more of them...

[lodilefty]

I think if Straslund is not owned by Sweden, you can't get the reinforcements as they must land there

I'd have to see a saved game to understand the 'options didn't work'.
The EP you have can drop during a turn before you 'get to' the options, so you must think ahead....

[lodilefty]

It would seem to make sense that if Straslund and Wismar are controlled by the Prussian side, then Sweden exits the war neverto be seen again

[squarian]

It would seem to make sense that if Straslund and Wismar are controlled by the Prussian side, then Sweden exits the war neverto be seen again

Makes sense to me too - but especially for new players or players who don't read this forum, a message to that effect upon the fall of Stralsund would probably be a good idea.

[Generalisimo]

It would seem to make sense that if Straslund and Wismar are controlled by the Prussian side, then Sweden exits the war neverto be seen again

Well, then the Austrian side should have the necessary means to protect those cities properly... or we will see the "gamey tactic" of rushing to the north quickly to take out Sweden from the entire conflict as early as posible.

[lodilefty]

Well, then the Austrian side should have the necessary means to protect those cities properly... or we will see the "gamey tactic" of rushing to the north quickly to take out Sweden from the entire conflict as early as posible.

In the earlier setups, these regions are blocked until Sweden enters the war.

At that point, Sweden puts a reasonable Army in Straslund, so Prussia will have to sacrifice elsewhere to put a big enough force 'up north'

Needs more playtesting, but my first impression is that it would be ok

[Generalisimo]

In the earlier setups, these regions are blocked until Sweden enters the war.

At that point, Sweden puts a reasonable Army in Straslund, so Prussia will have to sacrifice elsewhere to put a big enough force 'up north'

Needs more playtesting, but my first impression is that it would be ok

Not really, they do not have enough (good) leaders... and most of the time, they are inactive (they have very low values on almost everything).
By just sending one column, it is enough to take them out...

[caranorn]

How about giving them a 3 star and army HQ? That way they could concentrate their forces. But it might make them too powerful...

[PhilThib]

That's exactly the reason why I did not give the Swedes either 3*** general(s) or an army

[Knight of the Realm]

Well, then the Austrian side should have the necessary means to protect those cities properly... or we will see the "gamey tactic" of rushing to the north quickly to take out Sweden from the entire conflict as early as posible.

That's exactly what the AI did in my game!

Very interesting stuff!

With regards to the Swedish reinforcement options (brigade and support x 2), it would be likely that they didn't work because Stralsand was besieged at the time (And I was able to use my 25 EPs and get some troops earlier on, for all the good it did me!). It would be nice however to build a bateaux to send some troops across the water... If that's not possible, surely the boat should not be in construction pool? (I have enough Thalers, conscripts & WS to do so, at least in theory). Of course I could build Austrian boats, but they wouldn't get very far!

And why is that fleet still there off the coast? You would have thought that it might just return to Malmoe as with no troops in Pomerania...?

Cheers

[lodilefty]

That's exactly what the AI did in my game!

Very interesting stuff!

With regards to the Swedish reinforcement options (brigade and support x 2), it would be likely that they didn't work because Stralsand was besieged at the time (And I was able to use my 25 EPs and get some troops earlier on, for all the good it did me!). It would be nice however to build a bateaux to send some troops across the water... If that's not possible, surely the boat should not be in construction pool? (I have enough Thalers, conscripts & WS to do so, at least in theory). Of course I could build Austrian boats, but they wouldn't get very far!

And why is that fleet still there off the coast? You would have thought that it might just return to Malmoe as with no troops in Pomerania...?

Cheers

I don't think bateaux will make it across the open ocean anyway

The fleet will go home for Winter. Admirals are stubborn, I guess....

[Knight of the Realm]

I don't think bateaux will make it across the open ocean anyway

The fleet will go home for Winter. Admirals are stubborn, I guess....

I checked, perhaps it's wrong (or I'm mistaken) but the waters between Malmoe and Stralsand are deemed to be coastal...

And though the Russian fleets Winter quartered, I don't think the Swedish fleet did (IIRC).

Cheers

[lodilefty]

I checked, perhaps it's wrong (or I'm mistaken) but the waters between Malmoe and Stralsand are deemed to be coastal...

And though the Russian fleets Winter quartered, I don't think the Swedish fleet did (IIRC).

Cheers

Ok on the terrain if it's all coastal

Yes, Swedish fleet doesn't go home until the patch is published [or you apply the beta patch ]

[Glaucon]

That's exactly what the AI did in my game!

Very interesting stuff!

Same here. It does make for an interesting game, but the Prussian AI over commits its forces. In my latest game, they opened the 1757 campaign by sending three strong columns north, thus neglecting to defend Silesia or Hanover.

Would an AI detect bonus help out with this, to help them realize that Holstein is undefended and Pomerania can be taken with once strong column, at most two?

[lodilefty]

Same here. It does make for an interesting game, but the Prussian AI over commits its forces. In my latest game, they opened the 1757 campaign by sending three strong columns north, thus neglecting to defend Silesia or Hanover.

Would an AI detect bonus help out with this, to help them realize that Holstein is undefended and Pomerania can be taken with once strong column, at most two?

The AGEOD AI has always been 'better' with increased detection. Go ahead and change it in Main Menu and see

[Knight of the Realm]

I am still playing with 1.01g.

I have had problems supplying my Russian Army from the start (see above).

I haven't had problems keeping Koenigsberg supplied, but I have had a level 2 depot in Ragnit, for awhile now (a depot in Wierzbelow didn't get much in the way of supply (see below)).

But I did build a level 2 depot in Braunsberg, two regions from Koenigsberg, which also did not get any supply at all. It did eventually start to build up some supply, but only when there weren't any troops based there (I figure that this must be the smidgen of supply produced by the depot itself, it certainly wasn't receiving or sending any supply according to the filter).

I was mystified as to what was happening, so I also built a depot in Stuhm, and again the brigade I had sitting there just vanished due to lack of sufficient general supply.

However then something strange happened, the depot in Stuhm (slowing building up some supply, the troops having been withdrawn back to Ragnit or Koenigsberg or evaporated) was taken by Prussia, and the control changed. I took the depot back with some Cossacks and I noticed that supply was finally getting to the depot, now that Austria controlled it...

I then noticed that all these areas that did not receive any supply seemed to be be owned 100% by Poland. I noticed the control of the areas of East Prussia did vary, so I decided to build one in Deutsch Eylau to confirm my thinking. Again, no supply. In the end I built a depot in Osterode, just inside East Prussia, and with a route of controlled areas back to Ragnit/Koenigsberg, and that immediately began to receive supply.

Though you can build depots in Poland, they won't get any supply...? Is that WAD?

[squarian]

Thanks for that post, KotR - I've been wrestling with Russian depots in E Prussia/Poland also, with the same lack of success. I hadn't considered the Polish control angle - but I was beginning to wonder whether supply would flow from off-board boxes.

[PhilThib]

Though you can build depots in Poland, they won't get any supply...? Is that WAD?

Very interesting... this is not WAD at all, although the consequence is almost 'historical' (in history, Fredrick bought all Polish grain in spring 1757 to prevent Russians to get supply from Poland)


It looks like supply is not flowing through regions controlled by neutral factions...Pocus will have to check this

[Knight of the Realm]

Thanks for that post, KotR - I've been wrestling with Russian depots in E Prussia/Poland also, with the same lack of success. I hadn't considered the Polish control angle - but I was beginning to wonder whether supply would flow from off-board boxes.

No, problem, glad I'm not the only one!

Yes, I would have thought that supply should come from Off-map boxes, but I think that in this case there is no route back to them via non-Polish controlled areas, unless from Kurland via Memel.

[Knight of the Realm]

Very interesting... this is not WAD at all, although the consequence is almost 'historical' (in history, Fredrick bought all Polish grain in spring 1757 to prevent Russians to get supply from Poland)

Historical for one year? What about subsequent years?

It looks like supply is not flowing through regions controlled by neutral factions...Pocus will have to check this

Yes, it looks like that is the case! Thanks.

[Knight of the Realm]

Finally finished the campaign as Austria last night.

A few questions/points:

1. I liberated a boat from Lubeck and took it to Malmoe, and then landed some troops in Stralsand with it, besieging the town. However, though the bateau is in the Swedish force pool, I was never able to build one. Why is that?

2. Towards the end of the game (in the last year IIRC) the Swedish fleet remained locked, but started to run out of supply and eventually evaporated. Should the fleet just be removed before then, or freed up so that it can be sent to somewhere where it can get some supply?

3. Once I retook Stralsand I was able to use all the Swedish re-inforcement options (about five of them by the end of the game, not that they were much use by then!).

4. The game was effectively over in a competitive sense by 1762, shouldn't there be some means by which to end it, even if it's not historical? Obviously I could just stop playing, but that's not the same!

Still, think it's a great game. But would really still like to see some shorter scenarios...

[lodilefty]

Finally finished the campaign as Austria last night.

A few questions/points:


2. Towards the end of the game (in the last year IIRC) the Swedish fleet remained locked, but started to run out of supply and eventually evaporated. Should the fleet just be removed before then, or freed up so that it can be sent to somewhere where it can get some supply?


Still, think it's a great game. But would really still like to see some shorter scenarios...

It should be removed by event!

I'll look again

EDIT: hehe, event for that winter was missing
Will add.