Piemon-Sardaigne : can move my troops to France

[allan_boa]

How is it that I can freely move my P_S troops in France without any reaction from them ?

[loki100]

around 1858 you have a scripted defensive alliance whcih allows such movement

Best to check your diplomatic treaties with France - you may have a mutual passage agreement even earlier in the game

[allan_boa]

I'm still in 1850...
So a defensive treaty allows me for moves in the whole France (France has stripes in Alt-1) ? that would explain ...

The manual says: "Stripes indicate other regions you may enter
for various reasons, including territory under a Right of Passage, or territory owned or controlled 50% or
more by an enemy (whomever may be the rightful owner)."

It's however strange that a defensive treaty grants full access to territory.

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[allan_boa]

It's even more bizarre than that: I even can go into France army stack and change their posture.
I'm lost...

PS: sorry for multiple pics posted in my previous message. I messed up and I can't remove them now ...:-)

[Matto]

Defensice treaty is strong alliance PoN ... it means passage and supply right for both sides

[loki100]

It's even more bizarre than that: I even can go into France army stack and change their posture.
I'm lost...

makes no difference - the AI will overwrite this when it makes its orders.

but yes, a defensive alliance allows you to see all their deployments and stack compositions.

[allan_boa]

I don't see any end date for the defensive treaty ? Don't tell me it's ... forever :-)))

Or is it simply until I break it or France does the same ?

[loki100]

its for ever, but its very useful. Your only point of conflict with France is over Tunisia, and France will deter Austria from attacking you.

You can break it when you want.

[allan_boa]

And does AI sometimes break treaties ? (this would be a sign of a good and interesting AI)

[loki100]

I'm not sure.

In my game, I still have the defensive treaty I gained with France in the late 1850s. This has created a balance of power in Europe Italy-France vs Austria-Germany as if one attacks, they face two enemies (there are no offensive treaties).

More generally, I think there is a problem, and this goes back to how Paradox (who originally published PoN though it was designed by AGEOD) forced the development process and rather reduced the funds available for future improvements. Beyond adjusting its view of you based on threat, the AI doesn't really plan diplomatically.

A few of us are trying to come up with a script that will enable this, even just at the simple level of seeing that a given state is now very powerful and forming a defensive alliance to contain it.

[Jim-NC]

I have not seen the AI break a treaty. They will do the other extreme: declare war (due to a defensive treaty), then the next turn declare peace. So they keep the treaty, and even follow the letter of the law, but not the spirit.

[allan_boa]

Another curiosity. I'm playing Piemont-Sardaigne but I just received a message which was obviously not intended to me but to France. The message congratulated me for my nearly completed objective of the largest army in the world. The message (looking like a newspaper page) was accompany by a lovely music: La Marseillaise (French Anthem).

I know with have a treaty but this is a little bit too much ! ;-)

[Jim-NC]

There are some "issues" with the text with the early year objectives. You have several, and have probably completed one of them for the year, but it shows the largest army. The game checks each year (once per year) for the progress of each objective. If you meet the criteria, you get a message, and the counter increases. If you get the counter up to 8 (8 of 10 years of making progress towards objective), then you get a prestige boost in 1860.