Vainglory of Nations

[Heldenkaiser]

Always thought it was a reference to 'the empire where the sun never sets'

That, in turn, is originally a reference to the Austro-Spanish empire of Charles V. With possessions spanning the globe, the sun indeed never set in this one.

Apparantely the quote was transformed by a witty writer in the last years of WW1 to apply to Charles' last and final successor, also named Charles, emperor of Austria 1916-18. According to him Charles ruled an empire over which the sun never rose ...

[bbriley]

Are you kidding? Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall, as you know.

Stolz kommt vor den Sturz. Would that be a decent translation (http://www.freetranslation.com)? It is only too painfully apparent that I don't speak German.

[dooya]

I thought it would bear repetition.

In that respect you can count on me being like one of Pavlov's dogs. *wuff*

[Heldenkaiser]

Le terme grec s'applique à un homme qui ne respecte pas les limites implicites propres à son état dans un monde régit par les dieux
Et ceux-ci ont tendance à être jaloux.

Yes, the Greeks thought of their gods as being quite human, only a little more so ...

[DirkX]

Stolz kommt vor den Sturz. Would that be a decent translation (http://www.freetranslation.com)? It is only too painfully apparent that I don't speak German.

basically you are translating german into german ?

[bbriley]

basically you are translating german into german ?

Sorry. I translated "Pride comes before a fall" (a Biblical saying, I think - Proverbs?) into German using http://www.freetranslation.com. It is a good site for a quick (and dirty) translation, but not for real accuracy, that is for sure.

Again, the machine translation is: Stolz kommt vor einen Sturz.

And, from that site:
Ich frage mich, wenn Adolf Hitler missbraucht wurde, als er ein Kind war.

Ich hoffe, dass Sie einen großen Tag haben.

[Rafiki]

Ah, good old Godwin; about time he popped by...

[Heldenkaiser]

[quote="bbriley"]Sorry. I translated "Pride comes before a fall" (a Biblical saying, I think - Proverbs?) into German using http://www.freetranslation.com. QUOTE]

The German equivalent is "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall" (we had that a few posts ago).

[bbriley]

Sorry. I translated "Pride comes before a fall" (a Biblical saying, I think - Proverbs?) into German using http://www.freetranslation.com. QUOTE]

The German equivalent is "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall" (we had that a few posts ago).

I guess I should have known that a German military historian would know the Biblical phrases! Vas ist "Stolz kommt vor einen Sturz," then? Is Sturz referring to the Fall season, perhaps? Also, do you know about these books:

The War of the World: Twentieth-Century Conflict and the Descent of the West, by Niall Ferguson; and:

The Wars Against Napoleon: Debunking the Myth of the Napoleonic Wars, by Michel Franceschi and Ben Weider.

And finally: How the Irish Saved Civilization, by Thomas Cahill. I have seen it for years but don't know the content. Saved Europe from whom or what? The Goths? The Visigoths? The Huns? The Mongols? The invaders from Mars? From ignorance? I suspect it refers to the latter but don't know. It is always good to realize that the Divine invented whiskey so the Irish wouldn't rule the world.

[GlobalExplorer]

"Stolz kommt vor einen Sturz" .. not really German .. but it's comprehendible .. and the Fräuleins will love it

[mikemike]

you know, it's occurred to me after several eons of playing Vic and HOI and other, historic ruler with another name, games that it would be more realistic to be a minister or a military commander in a government of one of the historic leaders, than to pretend to be, say, churchill or hitler or stalin. having the task of "following the orders", no matter how crazy, would reflect historical reality better than, say, in HOI, of being the peace loving leader of germany, making friends with poland and waving a friendly hello to Léon Blum -- if so, in these kinds of history is a map, games, why the coded "events" at all? Crusader Kings has a nice understanding of this kind of game play.

mike

[dooya]

I guess I should have known that a German military historian would know the Biblical phrases! [...]

Depending on the actual translation you can find both versions in a German bible, and -fasten your seatbelt- even both versions in one and the same sentence:

18. Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall / und Stolz vor dem Sturz.

Found at http://www.bibel-online.net/bibel_5/20.sprueche/16.html, Choose "Neue evangelische Übersetzung" in the drop down menu at the top.

However, as far as I know, "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall" has made it into German everyday language, "Stolz kommt vor dem Sturz" has not.

[Heldenkaiser]

Depending on the actual translation you can find both versions in a German bible, and -fasten your seatbelt- even both versions in one and the same sentence:

18. Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall / und Stolz vor dem Sturz.

Found at http://www.bibel-online.net/bibel_5/20.sprueche/16.html, Choose "Neue evangelische Übersetzung" in the drop down menu at the top.

However, as far as I know, "Hochmut kommt vor dem Fall" has made it into German everyday language, "Stolz kommt vor dem Sturz" has not.

I stand corrected. It appears I do NOT know my bible well, afterall.

But both parts of the verse are nearly identical in meaning, that fooled me. Afterall there is only a slight semantic difference between Hochmut and Stolz, and none at all between Fall and Sturz.

[DirkX]

Sorry. I translated "Pride comes before a fall" (a Biblical saying, I think - Proverbs?) into German using http://www.freetranslation.com. It is a good site for a quick (and dirty) translation, but not for real accuracy, that is for sure.

Again, the machine translation is: Stolz kommt vor einen Sturz.
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haha ^^ i missed that

[Philippe]

At the risk of being old-fashioned, I would think that if you wanted a German translation of a famous Biblical tag you would try to use Martin Luther rather than a machine translation. Luther has the same kind of resonance as the King James, and for similar reasons.

[bbriley]

At the risk of being old-fashioned, I would think that if you wanted a German translation of a famous Biblical tag you would try to use Martin Luther rather than a machine translation. Luther has the same kind of resonance as the King James, and for similar reasons.

Yes, I would think Martin Luther's Translation would have had to be pretty good. However, I don't know what his source document was: The Latin Vulgate (translation into the Latin of the people by St. Jerome) or the older Hebrew (for the Jewish scriptures, including Proverbs).

As a rule, the King James version did not have as good a source material as today's modern translations do, and I would suspect that would be true in Germany as well. I.e., a modern German translation from the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts would be better (more accurate) than what Martin Luther had developed.

Thank you for your observation, in all cases. And I agree completely that a machine translation is nowhere near as good as that of a bilingual human being.

[Carnium]

Any chance for a full screen images of the screens from the first page

[Le Ricain]

Yes, I would think Martin Luther's Translation would have had to be pretty good. However, I don't know what his source document was: The Latin Vulgate (translation into the Latin of the people by St. Jerome) or the older Hebrew (for the Jewish scriptures, including Proverbs).

As a rule, the King James version did not have as good a source material as today's modern translations do, and I would suspect that would be true in Germany as well. I.e., a modern German translation from the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts would be better (more accurate) than what Martin Luther had developed.

Thank you for your observation, in all cases. And I agree completely that a machine translation is nowhere near as good as that of a bilingual human being.

Luther used Erasmus' 1519 Greek edition for his translation of the New Testament. For the Old testament, he used Hebrew texts that were available.

[Pocus]

Any chance for a full screen images of the screens from the first page

You can forget the first screen because the interface was redone from scratch. But no, it is not yet available!

[GlobalExplorer]

I would suggest removing these screens. It should be obvious to anyone that they were just quick and dirty prototypes done with a old version of the engine, to show what the game could look like.

But it seems some people are thinking they are from the real game. And besides, I also clicked on these links and it is not very professional to have a link to imageshack that isn't even working!

It should be clear there can be no screens because the game is in the design stage. And when they are available I would not expect the real screens to differ that much from previous games, though I would like to see graphics that resemble more BOA / ACW than NCP.

[tagwyn]

Youse guys get a life!!! I can't beleive I actually tried to read this thread. I need a new life as well. LOL. T

[arsan]

I would suggest removing these screens. It should be obvious to anyone that they were just quick and dirty prototypes done with a old version of the engine, to show what the game could look like.

But it seems some people are thinking they are from the real game. And besides, I also clicked on these links and it is not very professional to have a link to imageshack that isn't even working!

It should be clear there can be no screens because the game is in the design stage. And when they are available I would not expect the real screens to differ that much from previous games, though I would like to see graphics that resemble more BOA / ACW than NCP.

Agree!
I know it says is an old screen but many people will not notice this and think this is how the game will look...

[Rafiki]

There, there, Tag. Keep in mind that this thread has had some time to get here

[GlobalExplorer]

This thread can be summed up like this: Ageod is working on a new game and it will be called "Vainglory of Nations"

There is still a long time before this game will see light of day, and this thread is probably just there to get people interested. I would also think that if you have a great idea this is a unique chance to bring it forward and actually know it will be read by the developers .. before it will be too late ..

[Carnium]

This thread is a bit quiet these days.. in fact it is too quiet for my taste
Here are a couple of questions to make it alive again :
- will we be able to hire foreign troops/units ? This would be great when managing small countries with a lot of money and not enough men power.
- will there be a market where we will be able to buy/sell things ?
- if yes - what things will we be able to buy/sell ?
- will there be many scripted events or will we be able to rewrite the history without them ? Example : start world war 1 before/after the real date
- how will the research work ?
- will we be able to research different arms or just different unit types ?
- will there be any small scenarios to play or just one grand campaign with different start dates ?
- when can we pre-order the game ?

That is all .. for now

[Korrigan]

There is still a long time before this game will see light of day, and this thread is probably just there to get people interested. I would also think that if you have a great idea this is a unique chance to bring it forward and actually know it will be read by the developers .. before it will be too late ..

Yes, indeed.

[lodilefty]

This thread is a bit quiet these days.. in fact it is too quiet for my taste

That is all .. for now

VGN is currently like a duck on the water: calm on top, paddling furiously underneath....

[Carnium]

VGN is currently like a duck on the water: calm on top, paddling furiously underneath....

Can we get a few screens of this "duck" then ?

[Jabberwock]

Can we get a few screens of this "duck" then ?

Here you can see it symbolically riding on the back of a third world peasant.

[lodilefty]

Here you can see it symbolically riding on the back of a third world peasant.

I didn't realize that Pocus actually looks like that!