Objective Regions and Peace Treaties

[powloon1]

Are you supposed to be able to claim objective regions from nations you are at war with through the claimed regions section of the diplomacy screen?

I am playing Italy in a GC v1.03d (playing with extended claims). One of my objective regions is Albania (Tirana) which is currently controlled by the Ottomans. I have declared war and captured Tirana but when I check the claimed regions in the diplomacy screen Albania is not displayed. I would have thought objective regions were legimate regions to claim in a peace deal?

Edit: I've just noticed this from the v1.02 change log

Objectives regions are always at least in your claim list (can be national too, which is the grade above).

This does not appear to be the case in my game unless something else changed in v1.03

[StephenT]

I recently had the same problem. Playing Germany, Lorraine (Metz) was one of my national objectives. I defeated France in a war, but it didn't appear in the list of provinces I could annex. Alsace, on the other hand, did appear, presumably because unlike Lorraine it was also a German national region.

I went to the main menu, ticked 'extended claims', and lo and behold, Lorraine showed up in the list after all. I annexed it, then want back to the menu and unchecked extended claims again. So that was a work-around, but it does seem that the fix isn't working.

(Disclosure: this was a game begun under an older patch and upgraded; results might be different in a game begun from scratch?)

[loki100]

this fits my experience exactly, I'm playing without extended claims but when, as a test, I selected that Tirana became claimable. I just checked the WS tariff, reverted and on peace transferred it by script (keeping the total deal below the WS)

[powloon1]

this fits my experience exactly, I'm playing without extended claims but when, as a test, I selected that Tirana became claimable. I just checked the WS tariff, reverted and on peace transferred it by script (keeping the total deal below the WS)

How did you select Tirana to become claimable?

[loki100]

good question !

I can't remember and don't have the relevant saves any more. I think it appeared in the options when I enabled extended claims, so I just jotted down the notional WS value, reverted to the historical SOIs and put in a script to force the change at the end of the war.

With the historic claims, there were no claimable non-colonial regions, regardless of what I had occupied or what appears on my objective list.

[powloon1]

Can anyone confirm whether you are supposed to be able to claim objective regions in a peace deal?

[Egg Bub]

I heard somewhere that you need loyalty in certain regions to claim them.

[Kensai]

There is a filter in the game screen to see claimed regions. Usually a region is automatically claimable if: it is an objective region (F10 screen) or if it has enough ethnicity of the claimant nation. I am not sure about loyalty, it could be that too (makes sense).

Pocus might illuminate us.

[powloon1]

The loyalty thing might be the key. I am at war with the ottomans (as Italy) and have 3 objective regions in Ottoman territory Tirana, Dodecanese and Adana none of which display in the claimed regions section of the peace treaty screen.

I can understand why you cannot claim any old region but the must be someway to acquire objective regions or else what is the point in having them.

[BandC]

I am curious about this too. Can we get an official answer?

[loki100]

just to add my recent observation/discovery.

I'm playing S-P/Italy and playing with extended claims off. In my 2 Ottoman wars, the objective regions never appeared on the peace screen (with these settings), I'm now at war with the Austrians and all my Italian populated regions do (but not Split).

So I suspect one of two things - (a) either the logic is that there is a direct land connection from your current land to those regions or (b) there has to be a certain level of national population - either would explain why I could claim say Udine but not Split. But it indicates something in the routine for determining what you can and cannot claim in peace is not quite working

[BandC]

Thanks. See that's the thing. Everybody is making guesses based on experimentation. It would be nice if a developer came and said: "this is how it's supposed to work". My personal opinion is if a region is in objective list it should be claimable whether extended claims is on or not. Otherwise, what's the point of having it in the objectives?

[ERISS]

Claiming an objective region is a war act.
When you want to remove important things, from somebody, he'll keep fighting (if not a traitor, like many governments*, so you may be ingame right!).
Objectives must usually be conquiered by force.

* A country does not belong to a government (but to people), so a governement does not care giving what does not belong to it to the enemy. Goverments are composed of priviledged who won't really suffer of violence of occupation. See Bolsheviks with the Brest-Litovsk treaty (giving 'independance', i.e. letting germans in), or the Vichy government in WW2, or the Versailles government in 1870 war.

[powloon1]

Claiming an objective region is a war act.
When you want to remove important things, from somebody, he'll keep fighting (if not a traitor, like many governments*, so you may be ingame right!).
Objectives must usually be conquiered by force.

This is what I am saying is not happening. In my initial post I had conquered Tirana (Albania) from the Ottoman empire. By the end of the war i had conquered constantinople and had a war score in the region of 200 however even though Tirana was appearing in the F10 screen as an Italian objective region I could not claim it through the Claim Region option of the diplomacy screen.

I agree with BandC there is no point in giving a nation an objective region if there is then subsequently no in game way to acquire it. From what I read of the v1.02 change log (if my reading of the relevant entry indeed refers to this issue) I think this was addressed then but as mentioned it dosn't seem to be happening in v1.03.