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One-feature-a-day articles: #8 National soil and peace treaty

Tue May 17, 2011 9:02 am

[INDENT] As you may now understand, Pride of Nations is rather history-oriented, and is not in its basic format very much ‘sandbox’ (although we will talk in another article of the options you can play with to change the game profile). This means that when you go to war with another country, if you manage to be victorious, only a fraction of of your opponent’s regions can be claimed as part of the peace treaty.
These regions are either regions national to you or are claimable regions. In both cases this is determined by checking if one of the ethnicities of the region is the same as the main ethnicity of your capital region, and under which proportion (more for national status, less for claimable status). Another possibility is population loyalty toward your nation. At 50% loyalty, the region is part of your National soil, and you automatically get a just cause of war (Casus Belli) should anyone be occupying such a region. Population loyalty can be changed over time with events and some decisions though, so it is theoretically possible to have a region switch to another status. This alone prevents countries from expanding endlessly, as there is no other means but a peace treaty to gain legal ownership over a region.


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Perhaps you may think it is too constrained toward history. Again, there are options to play sandbox, but for players wanting to try PON as it has been designed, rest assured there is still a huge room for expansion, as the hundreds of colonial regions await your rule, should you embark in this direction!
Peace treaties are handled with a concept that is now quite proved in strategy games (sometimes reinventing the wheel is superfluous Image ). Warscore. The more successful you are in war, the more WS you get. Should you end up positive (because your opponent will get points too…), you are the victor in war, and can ask for peace entries. In the current version of PON, there are five such items. The first one is to request national/claimed regions from the other country. The second one is to ask for a colonial transfer (i.e you get a protectorate established by another country, complete with regions, colonial penetration, military influence, all structures and outpost!). Another possibility is to ask the defeated to pay war reparations. Payment is made every year, and is a fraction of the country wealth, determined when the peace is settled. The fourth item is to ask for the liberation of a nation. For example as Russia you soundly beat the Ottomans and ask for the liberation of Bulgaria. Last but not least, you can ask for a partial demobilization of the army, or the scuttling of your opponent’s fleet.

The game also penalizes harsh treaties. The victor in the war can decide how harsh he wants to be. Should you try to get the most possible out of the defeated, then you can be sure that the relationship between them and you will stay abysmal. On the other hand, if you go for a ‘gentle peace’, spending only a fraction of your Warscore, then you’ll see that relationship improves much faster afterward.
As for warscore, it is possible to gain some by various means. Defeating the enemy in battle and capturing regions give you some ‘instant’ points. But that’s not all. Holding the capital region or some of the objective regions of your opponent (see article #1) will also give you points each turn. So, if you manage to hold these objectives, you can almost wait for the enemy to come to you, because if not he will be the loser in a few months (or years, depending on his resistance). There are also other, more subtle mechanisms about WS, that can force your opponent to literally ‘beg for peace’, because being backstabbed by the home front is a possibility in Pride of Nations! [/INDENT]
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Tue May 17, 2011 6:15 pm

Thanks, dear Pocus, for your decent explaination about peace terms. Thus it would be possible if I can manage to play the Ottomans to reconquer some of the Egyptian controlled provinces not only in Syria but eventually in Sudan terriory and perhaps vassalize Egypt. The only problem I would have to solve first will be to prevent the British intermingling on Egypt side in the conflict.

So we will need some important diplomatic measures like allying with France, Prussia, some minor nations like Netherlands, Sverige and eventually even Russia to stop any british intervention in my affairs.

I will like it to give that a try...

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Tue May 17, 2011 8:52 pm

Pocus wrote: The fourth item is to ask for the liberation of a nation. For example as Russia you soundly beat the Ottomans and ask for the liberation of Bulgaria.


Actually when Russia declared the war the whole rebellious Balkan peninsula declared independence and ready their troops without waiting for liberation in peace agreement . :)

I have a question similar to Hohenlohe's. Historically Ottomans had difficulties stopping Russian's and Balkan advances around game's time frame. in ex 1878 Rus-Ottoman War, Russians were nearly capturing Constantinople but the British ultimatom to Russia prevented it. As historically and game turns I think she will have difficulties to survive without making alliances.Regarding the fact Russian Empire and OE have always legitimate CB to have a war :) that loyalty can easily shift to Russia when moving to Balkans in game turns. Will the game be historical about alliances for "unorginized groups" to survive to the historical date especially for Ottoman Empire? Or.. hopefully and much better system is to make Ottomans playable :thumbsup: that will challange the player but with the necessity to make alliances to maintain the borders in Balkans or in N.Africa but with "no-sandbox" way.

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Wed May 18, 2011 3:33 pm

OE is playable rather easily, so you can try that on release, but as said before, it has received less attention from the team, for historical events and options.

There is no artificial constraint set to preserve some countries until a given historical date.
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