Serbia occupied - still gaining NW-points

[count taaffe]

Hi Calvinus!

Playing AH in a 4-players game at the moment (with the latest patch installed). Having occupied the whole territory of Serbia and destroyed all Serbian forces, I noticed during the Interphase, that Serbia is still gaining some NW-points?

Is this a bug or did I miss something

Thanks for helping!

Peter

[calvinus]

Not really a bug...
Serbia cannot surrender (scenario rule).
So, even if not fighting at all, NW calculations take place.
But it doesnt matter in the end for game purposes, no territory, no army...

[Tamas]

Its almost impossible (maybe impossible?) for Serbia to surrender. as a side effect you get these messages, which dont really have any practical effect after you destroyed them completely.

[count taaffe]

Thank you guys I wasn't aware of that.

Cheers,

Peter

[Mowers]

whilst the rule may work as intended I am not entirely convinced that Serbia is not ahistorically over powered in this game.

[rattlesnake]

Yugoslavian can never be defeated.They know how to preserve their forces.

[davek]

Is it technically true that Serbia can never surrender? I could have sworn I saw it happen, in my very first game. Had to defeat all their forces and take every single flagged territory, and even then it didn't happen for a while, but it eventually did happen.

Also, speaking of surrenders... I've gotten notified a couple of times while playing the CP that Germany had surrendered, or Turkey, or AH, here are the conditions for the surrender, etc. But they *hadn't* surrendered... no change at all, in fact. Anyone else see this bug?

[calvinus]

Voluntary Surrender and Capitulation are two different things.

You probably saw Serbia capitulating (because of low NW), surely not "voluntarily surrendering".

[rattlesnake]

Voluntary Surrender and Capitulation are two different things.

You probably saw Serbia capitulating (because of low NW), surely not "voluntarily surrendering".

Low NW will cause capitulating?

[calvinus]

Yes, when NW is negative, capitulation checks take place. The more it's negative, the more checks are to be done. Similarly is done for Strikes / Rebellions checks. This is the political way the war can be won, indeed.

[rattlesnake]

Yes, when NW is negative, capitulation checks take place. The more it's negative, the more checks are to be done. Similarly is done for Strikes / Rebellions checks. This is the political way the war can be won, indeed.

I know the strikes rebellions happen when NW is negative.But is the common result of capitulation ,or only for Sebia?

[Tamas]

I know the strikes rebellions happen when NW is negative.But is the common result of capitulation ,or only for Sebia?

There are various possible social unrests when NW enters the instability zone (from 20 downwards, minimum -9 IIRC): strikes, mutinies, rebellions which can turn into a revolution, and surrender. The lower the NW is, the more the chance for each, and IIRC they work like a chain reaction. So a strike may push the NW lower before mutiny is checked, which if happens pushes it even lower giving better odds for a revolution.

On the other hand, mutiny and rebellion checks failing give NW, as troublemakers are punished

[rattlesnake]

On the other hand, mutiny and rebellion checks failing give NW, us troublemakers are punished

What does that mean?

NW varys from 40 to -7.Below 20 there are strikes.Below 14 there are mutinies and etc. What is the capitulation?

[Tamas]

What does that mean?

NW varys from 40 to -7.Below 20 there are strikes.Below 14 there are mutinies and etc. What is the capitulation?

Below twenty there are chances for each unrest to happen. eg. at 20 there is a strike if you roll a 1 (not sure about the exact number!), but no chance for anything else.

and these odds get worse for you (it becomes harder to avoid a given unrest) as NW goes lower

[rattlesnake]

Below twenty there are chances for each unrest to happen. eg. at 20 there is a strike if you roll a 1 (not sure about the exact number!), but no chance for anything else.

and these odds get worse for you (it becomes harder to avoid a given unrest) as NW goes lower

I have just referred to the menu about the exact number.
I think the capitulation of Serbia is according the scenarios.
Just wait calvinus for that.
You call that punish?