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Francesco Baracca

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Francesco Baracca was the best WWI Italain ace, with 34 victories!

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/italy/baracca.php

The black rampant horse he used to personalize his planes is world wide known... and looked with great ammiration! :blink:
Infact it became Ferrari cars logo! :wacko:
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Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:39 pm

To dooya,.....or anyone confident with German language.

Ten. von Thedermann, was first pilot in the German military aviation to get a flight licence.
I had no luck in the search for photos or detail.... may be something at German language pages!
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jastaV wrote:To dooya,.....or anyone confident with German language.

Ten. von Thedermann, was first pilot in the German military aviation to get a flight licence.
I had no luck in the search for photos or detail.... may be something at German language pages!
Probably you mean Richard von Tiedemann, who was the 17th person to get a pilot licence in Germany: http://www.autoveteranen.de/flugzeug/piloten.html

Unfortunately, I did not find a picture of him and also no website with more informations about him.
No quote - No bullshit!

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dooya wrote:Probably you mean Richard von Tiedemann, who was the 17th person to get a pilot licence in Germany: http://www.autoveteranen.de/flugzeug/piloten.html

Unfortunately, I did not find a picture of him and also no website with more informations about him.


At least now we know the full name:
Richard von Tiedemann

We should wait for the "Spaniard" net-bounty hunters before give up!
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Napoleon: The army will obey me!

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Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:51 pm

Apparently there is a picture of a Richard von Tiedemann in the first volume of Das Buch der deutschen Fluggeschichte But unfortunately the picture is not available online, kürassierniform? so he changed cavalry for air combat?

http://books.google.com/books?id=3PZfJIq9XrkC&q=%22Richard+von+Tiedemann%22&dq=%22Richard+von+Tiedemann%22&lr=&as_brr=0&hl=es&pgis=1


But if he was not the first why is so interesting?

For those interested, there are pages online available from this book Contact!: The Story of the Early Aviators, with lists of the 100 first certified pilots in the main countries, browse here

http://books.google.com/books?id=tDmR7DhM_uEC&pg=PA255&dq=%22von+Tiedemann%22+1910&lr=&as_brr=0&hl=es#PPA250,M1

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Nikel wrote: kürassierniform? so he changed cavalry for air combat?


It was very common at that time!
Von Richthofen was an infantry or cavalry officer too that was forces to leave the trenches for reumatic feavers. After hospitalization, and having been judged inable to active trench service he took the pilot patent and entered his fighter carrer. He spent months surviving unable to get a victory.
Then a day grabbed the secret behind dogfighting and tallied first victory.... more came in next days. When he died, 21 April 1981, he had talied 81 victories,... more where not credited because "gained" behind enemy lines on solo missions.
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Wow! Talk about thread drift :) Interesting stuff, but drifting...

How is the new manual sections coming along? If you would like a native English speaker (American English) to assist in proof reading, just let me know. I will have substantial time to donate for the next 2 weeks.

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A new section that needs proofreading. Beware, please change color font of all modifications, so I can keep track of them.
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This new (first?) manual, will it be available with the boxed version of the game, or only as downloadable content?

Thanks in advance for your time.

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Here is the first edited section. I will take another look at it tomorrow evening (GMT -8). There were some minor errors. There should not be any confusion in the grammar of the text.

I will add each edited file here. As I noted below in a response; I'm not changing the meaning of the instructions-only the way it is explained where I think it is warranted. Words or sentences which have been change will be in blue text. Spelling, and punctuation are left in black (Arial 10).
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Other error:
the label: "** from January 1915 onwards"
should have three asterisks.

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Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:56 am

Just having a quick glimpse over this new chapter I found a few errors.
Great Britain is not at war at start(in my game it is still not at war in 1917!), Russia is a major power.
From the order of phases I think Redeployment is first before Events, you also haven't mentioned it in the 'Other Phases (from September 1914 Onwards)' section.
Generally a/some screenshot(s) might help visualizing, e.g. when describing the map.
For a general overview you probably go a little to deep into the details at the last pages. Instead you might give a description of the interface.

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Snoob wrote:This new (first?) manual, will it be available with the boxed version of the game, or only as downloadable content?

Thanks in advance for your time.


It's much too big (232 pages now) to fit in a box unfortunately :(
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More sections for your reading... :coeurs:
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Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:48 pm

The new sections look good. The technology one, in particular, answered a lot of questions I had about how techs work.

Only one point I saw that needs fixing:

1. In 21.9.2 ("Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey Stosstruppen") it says:

21.9.2 Stosstruppen for Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey (Central Powers)
Austria-Hungary and Italy may produce their own Stosstruppen only after the German assault victory described above (if any, if none their production will not be allowed). Their initial production is limited to 1 Stosstruppen (during the 1st Interphase), then unlimited afterwards (beginning in the 2nd Interphase).
Germany produces Turkish assault troops (Turkey cannot do it herself).


However, if one looks "above", there is no definition of the "German assault victory" referenced at the end of the first sentence.

Keep up the good work on the manual and appendix!

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Yes indeed the "unlimited production" and "assault victory" references are to be removed. Thanks

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dougbush93 wrote:...21.9.2 Stosstruppen for Austria-Hungary, Italy, Turkey (Central Powers)
Austria-Hungary and Italy may produce their own Stosstruppen only after the German assault victory described above ...

Not to distract from the review, but does it have to be a [I]german
assault victory? I have researched the Stosstruppen with A-H and since then try to use them to no avail :bonk:

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More reading :thumbsup:
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The sections look good to me. O

One important point / suggestion: in addition to publishing the manual that explains what is going on "under the hood" in the game, at the end of each turn there needs to be a pop up window that shows the NW adjustments for each country. Right now the entire NW mechanic is almost entirely behind the scenes to the players (they just see the number move) and all the NW mechanics need to be 100% transparent since they are the most important aspect of the game.

Overall, the progress on the manual is great. Keep up the good work. :)

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Can someone tell me what program I need to download and read?
I didn't have a problem with the first set last week, but this set doesn't want to open for me . :confused:
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It's microsoft Word, just like before (the old one, not the Vista one ;) ) :confused:
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PhilThib wrote:It's microsoft Word, just like before (the old one, not the Vista one ;) ) :confused:


:confused: I don't know why, but I just can't get it. I have windows XP.
Oh well!

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Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:16 pm

Try these, the last 3 converted to pdf

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Nikel wrote:Try these, the last 3 converted to pdf

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Yes that works! :thumbsup:
Thank you very much Nikel! :)

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OK, then here are the other 3 posted today


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Nikel wrote:OK, then here are the other 3 posted today


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Great, I got them!
Thanks again Nikel, you made my day! :w00t:

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PhilThib wrote:A new section that needs proofreading. Beware, please change color font of all modifications, so I can keep track of them.
:coeurs:


May I offer a view - bit nervously as a newb. One of the problems of writing manuals, and, indeed proof reading them, is that this is done by people who already have an understanding of the subject matter. Clearly this is necessary - however, a manual is actually being written/proofed for people who quite likely have no such understanding. The manual is the introduction to the game and clarity is therefore very important.

The idea of a section on understanding WW I is excellent - this may well be the first read and an introduction to game concepts will aid understaning of detailed rules. With this in mind, I looked at the Key Concepts, in particular the section headed 'Military Phase'. Apart from the grammar, which I assume will be, or has already been corrected, I did wonder whether the steps which are set out could be a little clearer.

I think the wording of the "important preliminary note" is a wee bit convoluted; would it perhaps be better to have two distinct sub-sections here, one outlining the 'strict turn order' option as you have it, and another providing the process where this game option is not selected.

As I mentioned, I am a newcomer to the game and this was one area where I initially had some confusion.

If this observation is out of order, please feel free to shoot me at dawn.

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Bern wrote:May I offer a view - bit nervously as a newb. One of the problems of writing manuals, and, indeed proof reading them, is that this is done by people who already have an understanding of the subject matter. Clearly this is necessary - however, a manual is actually being written/proofed for people who quite likely have no such understanding. The manual is the introduction to the game and clarity is therefore very important.
Bern



Bern

Your point is very valid-and foremost in my mind. No one should change the actual meaning of anything in the manuals at this point, except for the appropriate Ageod associates.
While doing a quick 'proof reading" last night, I thought there was an error of instructions, but I did not change it. The only changes that I applied were limited to grammar, and spelling. There was nothing outlandishly wrong, but it should be as clear as possible-and correct.
I'm sure that there will be enough of folks around here to point out the actual instructional errors.

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calvinus wrote:Other error:
the label: "** from January 1915 onwards"
should have three asterisks.


Done-along with a few small changes of spacing and punctuation.

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The picture is the most famous image related to WWI on the Italian front.

[SIZE="2"]TUTTI EROI!
O IL PIAVE
O TUTTI ACCOPPATI![/size]


Only heroes!
We'll keep Piave line or we all die!


The building in the picture was "Osteria Zonin", a small stronghold on the Piave line. It was the spot were Austro-German offensive following Caporetto breckthrough was stopped. The sentence writen by Italian defenders, figured out on all papers and became the simbol of Italian will to hold.
The full episode was then represented in LA GRANDE GUERRA by director Mario Monicelli. It's a classic movie, (Alberto Sordi, Vittorio Gassman, Silvana Mangano) winner at Venetia International Movie Festival, XX ed.
But one of best, and my favourite italian movies, it portraits with realism and humor the front-life.

Looking for a representative image of WWI on italian front, this one should be!

Great work here with manual sections: you are posting new ones so faster I cannot keep same speed reading them!
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