Turkey as a member of the Entente

[poweraxe]

In my current game as the Entente, the Ottoman Empire joined me, mostly because Italy joined the Central Powers as a result of a successful diplomatic poker played by Germany.

I have a few questions about Turkey as an Entente power:
1. If I understand correctly, most of the Turkish armies (except the II army) are assigned to a certain front. However, in my game there is no fighting on most of these fronts, because Turkey is with the Entente. Does this mean I cannot use these armies for anything besides garrisoning the regions they start in?

2. In that case, is it possible to attach some of the Turkish corps(non intrinsic ones) to a British army so I can use them on another front?

3. One minor quirk I noticed was that the German general Sanders is still the commander of the Turkish I army. The same with Von der Golz and the II army. I thought they were not supposed to be available if Turkey joins the Entente?

[calvinus]

1. If I understand correctly, most of the Turkish armies (except the II army) are assigned to a certain front. However, in my game there is no fighting on most of these fronts, because Turkey is with the Entente. Does this mean I cannot use these armies for anything besides garrisoning the regions they start in?

I removed that rule, Turkish armies are no more "locked" to front sectors!

2. In that case, is it possible to attach some of the Turkish corps(non intrinsic ones) to a British army so I can use them on another front?

I guess you have to adopt the "Military Cooperation" political option.

3. One minor quirk I noticed was that the German general Sanders is still the commander of the Turkish I army. The same with Von der Golz and the II army. I thought they were not supposed to be available if Turkey joins the Entente?

Yes, this should be corrected, right!

[calvinus]

3. One minor quirk I noticed was that the German general Sanders is still the commander of the Turkish I army. The same with Von der Golz and the II army. I thought they were not supposed to be available if Turkey joins the Entente?

I see that this should be already present in DiplomaticEvents.xls DB!

See here:

TUR DO_WarDeclaration PS_Allies PE_LeaderSacking 1 0 TUR_L03
TUR DO_WarDeclaration PS_Allies PE_LeaderSacking 1 0 TUR_L04

So maybe there's something not working in PE_LeaderSacking...

Do you have a savegame before the Turkish intervention?

[poweraxe]

Unfortunately, I did not make a save of the turn right before they joined me.

I do have a save of a couple of turns before Turkey joined me, would that help?

[calvinus]

Yes, it can help.

[poweraxe]

In that case, I have attached a save below.

[rattlesnake]

I removed that rule, Turkish armies are no more "locked" to front sectors!

What about the AH locked armies?I find if Italian join in the war ,they are released.If Italian and AH are on the same side,the locked armies have no meaning.

[rattlesnake]

3. One minor quirk I noticed was that the German general Sanders is still the commander of the Turkish I army. The same with Von der Golz and the II army. I thought they were not supposed to be available if Turkey joins the Entente?

The general is random.In my game ,he is Kluck in Turkey.

[calvinus]

What about the AH locked armies?I find if Italian join in the war ,they are released.If Italian and AH are on the same side,the locked armies have no meaning.

Do you mean that if Italy joins the war on the side of CPs, Austrian armies on the Italian front are not released?

[calvinus]

The general is random.In my game ,he is Kluck in Turkey.

In your game, are CPs managed by AI?

In fact, the general is not random, so maybe he was replaced by the AI with Von Kluck.

[Tamas]

Do you mean that if Italy joins the war on the side of CPs, Austrian armies on the Italian front are not released?

Then he is wrong. They ARE released

[rattlesnake]

Do you mean that if Italy joins the war on the side of CPs, Austrian armies on the Italian front are not released?

NO.If Italy joins the war on the side of CPs, Austrian armies on the Italian front are released.

[rattlesnake]

In your game, are CPs managed by AI?

In fact, the general is not random, so maybe he was replaced by the AI with Von Kluck.

I choose the CP side,not AI.

[calvinus]

So how Von Kluck took command of the turkish army? Maybe a wrong drag and drop?

[rattlesnake]

Then he is wrong. They ARE released

You misunderstand me.Why you say the opposite of my meaning?

[rattlesnake]

So how Von Kluck took command of the turkish army? Maybe a wrong drag and drop?

Maybe during the reinforcements phase.He is made the command of the turkish army.Maybe other reasons.
I feel surprised to see the general in the middle east.

[Palpat]

In my current game, Turkey joined the Allies -me-.

Two issues:
- Armenian Genocide event occured all the same. Isn't supposed to sleep if Turkey is Entente?
- Turkey kept her german leaders.

[Baris]

In my current game, Turkey joined the Allies -me-.

Two issues:
- Armenian Genocide event occured all the same. Isn't supposed to sleep if Turkey is Entente?
- Turkey kept her german leaders.

As historically whether or not related to ww1, Russian and Ottomans has a border tension at 1890's. As not sure whether it should be called genocide or not, there was a tension about the loyalty of Armenian peasants. Taşnak(party or group) talked about loyalty but Ottomans was suspecious about their loyalty to Russia. .As a fact there were Rum and jews population in the west(İzmir). It was like that for centuries and there werent a tension.

As far as I know what is defined as genocide,needs to be defined as Under total government authority. What happened or not happened can be force migration of population and other ethnic natives intervention with or without Government knowledge. I was surprised to see the definition in a game where today it is not approved by most courts...
Starting from Prussian times Ottomans had German officers for modernizing the army.

[calvinus]

- Armenian Genocide event occured all the same. Isn't supposed to sleep if Turkey is Entente?

No, there's no such condition in the event script.

- Turkey kept her german leaders.

These leaders should be undeployed, so it's a bug, yes.

[Palpat]

No, there's no such condition in the event script.

Well, it should be.
- because it's stated in the manual;
- because Armenians were slaughtered because of their alleged loyalty toward Russia. So what's the point of the genocide if Russia is an ally?

[Baris]

Well, it should be.
- because Armenians were slaughtered because of their alleged loyalty toward Russia. So what's the point of the genocide if Russia is an ally?

I think ww1 is not the beginning maybe closer to the end of the conflict..
Historically Ottomans and Russian Empire were never, ever come closer to be allies. They were frequently with war with each other when the opportunity arise for 500 years. The last battle was in 1878, Resulting heavy losses for the Ottomans. These wars gave harm to Ottomans tolerance to ethnic minorities and religions in autonomous regions in the east. Irregular cavalry dispatched to solve the situation of the unloyal population and took their land, likewise it happened to Crimean Tatars after the war. (Soviet Russia give Tatar's land to Ukranians in 1960's as a gesture, ) In these 2 examples many civilians were forced to migrate to other countries.

In ww1 Russian Empire advanced to take the the land in the east of Turkey with the help of Tasnak gueralla and milice fighters but in 1917 bolshevik movement stopped Russian advances in Erzurum, Kars.

[Palpat]

Of course, I know this.
But here, we are speaking of a situation when Turkey and Russia, if not friends, are fighting on the same side. And given the fact that the direct cause of the Armenian events were some loosy accusions of trahison in favor of Russia, I think this event should not happen if Russia and Turkey are on the same side.
Btw, it is stated so in the manual.

[calvinus]

Well, so I guess the script inside EV_TUR.inc file for event TUR_001 should become:

...
; Conditions
BeginCondition
Type=EC_CheckBelligerantNation
Parameters=TUR,1,PS_Allies
EndCondition
...

I highlited the text to add using bold.

[Palpat]

Thank you!