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249 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade3 $Engineer NULL NULL NULL 3 3 3 20 General 1 NULL 3 2 6

266 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade2 $Engineer NULL NULL NULL 5 5 2 11 General 1 NULL 4 3 4

291 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade $Engineer NULL NULL NULL 5 5 1 2 General 1 NULL 4 3 4

I notice that Meade suddenly gets better at defense once promoted to army command. Does that make sense, or are we overvaluing his defense at Gettysburg?

Instead of getting better, I would suggest leaving his defensive rating as a 4 at all levels.

btw...isn't it def eng now?

i can see the rationale for lowering strat and att one point...but not for raising def to 6. its based off of what, g-burg? perhaps a slight increase is justified...5?

i'm tempted to give meade good sub cmd, but can't in light of the reasoning behind some of his decisions- doubleday, sickles..

I think he deserves excellent stats

def an increase is ok, but to 6? what about a 3-4-5 as army?

3|3|4 is fine for army command. Meade was a good general but hardly a defensive genius.

Even though, Meade is remembered for his defense in Gettysburg (I suggest Entrencher), he was more of an attacker.

Thanks to the political action of some his subordonates (Sicles, etc) he had a reputation of lack of agressivness.

This is completly unfair, and modern history had given him justice. He was one of the few that perfectly understodd that the Civil War was both the last Napoleonian war and the first Modern war. Thus he refused to send uselessly his soldiers assaulting prepared defensive positions.

Had his work been studied more closely, less horrible mistakes would have been made during World War 1.

IMHO, ACW has produced few genius that had understood the new nature of the war Meade for the trenches war, and the fire power, Forrest for modern attacks, etc... Their work is still being studied in War colleges.

So Meade:
Either we give him an average Strat value (3) with Gifted_Cmd, either we give him an excellent rating with Overcautious.

249 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade3 $Entrencher $OverCautious NULL NULL 3 3 3 20 General 1 NULL 5 4 4
266 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade2 $Entrencher $Gifted_Cmd NULL NULL 5 5 2 11 General 1 NULL 5 4 3
291 USA George G. Meade ldr_USA_Meade $Entrencher $Gifted_Cmd NULL NULL 5 5 1 2 General 1 NULL 4 4 3

Meade had a temper. We should add his nickname, 'Old Snapping Turtle'.

He definitely did not get along with Sheridan, which was part of the reason Sheridan ended up with his semi-independant command through much of his time in the East. He was respected by his commanders to a point, but not well liked.

What's with all the Meade love? Meade gave a good initial impression, such as Grant's first impressions of him in 1864, but Grant was largely disappointed by Meade at Wilderness and Spotsylvania when the shooting started.

Meade's effort at Gettysburg was remarkable, but his efforts following the battle were less so. He ceded the initiative to Lee allowing the Bristoe Station campaign at a time when Lee was undermanned. He avoided disaster at Mine Run only because Lee felt uncomfortable launching a nifty flank assault without a corps commander he could trust to do it.

I have no quarrel with division commander Meade
Corps Commander Meade should be reduced to 4-4-4, Meade did not consider himself the equal of Reynolds
Army Commander Meade should be 4-2-4 with his current traits.

woodcojb wrote:What's with all the Meade love? Meade gave a good initial impression, such as Grant's first impressions of him in 1864, but Grant was largely disappointed by Meade at Wilderness and Spotsylvania when the shooting started.

Meade's effort at Gettysburg was remarkable, but his efforts following the battle were less so. He ceded the initiative to Lee allowing the Bristoe Station campaign at a time when Lee was undermanned. He avoided disaster at Mine Run only because Lee felt uncomfortable launching a nifty flank assault without a corps commander he could trust to do it.

I have no quarrel with division commander Meade
Corps Commander Meade should be reduced to 4-4-4, Meade did not consider himself the equal of Reynolds
Army Commander Meade should be 4-2-4 with his current traits.

It's always bugged me a bit how highly Meade is rated as an army commander. He had great subordinates in the AOP that his predecessors didn't have, yet he performed in mediocre fashion after Gettysburg. I would say 4-2-4 would be closer to his actual abilities.