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Is there any downside to having a corp/unit join an Army vs staying indpendent ? Not asking about competing commands where one commander is better than another. Wondering about independent status vs part of an army ?

Also, does it matter how close/in a unit is compared to the command radius ? Is a unit at the fringe treated equally to one in the same region ?

1. There are plenty of advantages to join an Army, most notably that the Command Points are not halved anymore and that the Army Commander's stats give bonuses to their commanders.

The only downside is that a Commander's Activation test is heavily influenced by the Army Commander's own test, which severly hampers offensive if your Army commander has a low Strategic rating (like McDowell for the Union).

2. Corps and divisions benefit from bonuses as long as they remain within range of the Army Commander. However, other Corps and the Army reserves will only intervene in a battle if they are in regions adjacent to the battlefield.

To see which bonuses/penalties a corps gets from its army commander, mouse-over the corps emblem when the corps is selected, and you'll get a list of the modifiers applied to the strategic/offensive/defensive ratings.

Rafiki wrote:To see which bonuses/penalties a corps gets from its army commander, mouse-over the corps emblem when the corps is selected, and you'll get a list of the modifiers applied to the strategic/offensive/defensive ratings.

Rafiki, I don't think that feature is working. Whether I mouse over the corps emblem or the unit itself, I don't see a list of bonuses/penalties even with the unit selected. Or I am doing something wrong.

This should show what I mean:

Many thanks! And interesting, the army bonus varies by distance. I didn't realize that..

Do Aides de Camps gain experience and promotions as other regular division commanders during combat? Or do they gain experience slower as they aren't commanding a division or brigade?

Can experience improve strategic ratings? Does anything improve strategic ratings?

Jagger wrote:Many thanks! And interesting, the army bonus varies by distance. I didn't realize that..

Heh, neither did I

Makes sense, though.

Jagger wrote:Many thanks! And interesting, the army bonus varies by distance. I didn't realize that..

I don't think its distance but based on a roll for each corps leader... you will sometimes see leaders in the same region that get different bonuses from the same army commander.

And aide de camps only apply to the army commander itself, right? IOW putting one in each corps seems to have no benefit.

mikee64 wrote:I don't think its distance but based on a roll for each corps leader... you will sometimes see leaders in the same region that get different bonuses from the same army commander.

And aide de camps only apply to the army commander itself, right? IOW putting one in each corps seems to have no benefit.

The manual states that corps commanders should also benefit from an Aide de Camp but I haven't tested it yet.

[quote="mikee64"]I don't think its distance but based on a roll for each corps leader... you will sometimes see leaders in the same region that get different bonuses from the same army commander.

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You are right. There doesn't seem to be a pattern to the contribution by army commanders to corps. Perhaps coincidence but the one corp in the same region but separate from the army commander received the greatest army contribution.

Rafiki wrote:This should show what I mean:

Rafiki

Are the unit namings in the unit tray defaults or did you mod them ?

In the 1.06 that I play the 1 star Generals have " Division" in the name bar, no matter what units are " inside", not 1st. Bde. as in your case.

Also what does " 1st. Division XV " mean in the Generals bar after Sherman, I don`t believe I`ve seen that before either ?

Thanks

Jagger wrote:The manual states that corps commanders should also benefit from an Aide de Camp but I haven't tested it yet.

Actually, I'm not sure that's what it says.

From rev20 of the manual:
"Units in the region are part of a Corps and Army Headquarters which includes a capable Aide de Camp (i.e. A non-Army commander leader in an Army Stack that has a Strategic Rating of 4+): 1"

Pehaps this refers to leaders out of the chain-of-command of the army but which happen to be in the same region as a Corps/Army?

In any case, I am not seeing a +1CP, no matter how I rearrange things. Some questions:

- May an Aide-de-camp be a unit leader (brigade/division) or must they be completely unassigned?
- When is the Aide-de-camp determination made? Perhaps it is only decided at the start of a turn, so the benefits don't apply on the turn you assign a leader to the position.
- Which stacks get the +1CP bonus from the Aide-de-camp? The army itself? It's Corps? Co-located independent units? Some combination thereof?

It would be nice if the current presence/absence of an Aide-de-camp in the Army were part of the tooltip info for the Army symbol (before/after the list of corps and their location).

PeterD wrote:Actually, I'm not sure that's what it says.

From rev20 of the manual:
"Units in the region are part of a Corps and Army Headquarters which includes a capable Aide de Camp (i.e. A non-Army commander leader in an Army Stack that has a Strategic Rating of 4+): 1"

Pehaps this refers to leaders out of the chain-of-command of the army but which happen to be in the same region as a Corps/Army?

In any case, I am not seeing a +1CP, no matter how I rearrange things. Some questions:

- May an Aide-de-camp be a unit leader (brigade/division) or must they be completely unassigned?
- When is the Aide-de-camp determination made? Perhaps it is only decided at the start of a turn, so the benefits don't apply on the turn you assign a leader to the position.
- Which stacks get the +1CP bonus from the Aide-de-camp? The army itself? It's Corps? Co-located independent units? Some combination thereof?

It would be nice if the current presence/absence of an Aide-de-camp in the Army were part of the tooltip info for the Army symbol (before/after the list of corps and their location).

The passage in the manual is worded a bit unclearly. I have been able to get a +1CP bonus for the army stack and any corps stacks in the same region only by attaching a 4+ strat leader, with no attached units, directly into the army stack. It is not decided at the start of the turn, but whenever you make the assignment; the +1 CP will show up immediately when the ADC is working properly. AFAIK only army and corps level units get the +1 CP; I cannot remember now if it is only attached corps in the same region or all attached corps. Placing that same unattached 4+ strat leader into the corps stack itself will not give the +1 CP you see when it is in the army stack.

Unless I am doing something wrong, of course.... this should be easy to test... I'm just in the middle of a big pbem move and don't have the circumstances set up right now to test it again.

Black Cat wrote:Are the unit namings in the unit tray defaults or did you mod them ?

In the 1.06 that I play the 1 star Generals have " Division" in the name bar, no matter what units are " inside", not 1st. Bde. as in your case.

Also what does " 1st. Division XV " mean in the Generals bar after Sherman, I don`t believe I`ve seen that before either ?

These are names as they appear at the start of the 1863 scenario, before I have done anything with them