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Please excuse my level of obsession with this game
but, does this make sense?
Why do 2 of the Cherokee(Watie was a Cherokee by the way) lead Cherokee regiments have Apache troops? The third raider reg. has generic 'Indian' warriors.
I'm definitely NOT any kind of expert on native American tribes, but one would think that Watie would have lead Cherokee warriors-OR-at least the regiment's name would reflect the tribal origins/composition of the regiments(ie. 'Apache Rifle Regiment' rather than "Cherokee Rifle Reg.')-OR-each regiment would have the more generic 'Indian warriors' label. Please help me with my logic or historical accuracy. Thanks for a great game/forum!

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They do look kind of Apache-like. I would expect Cherokees to be wearing a little more flashy stuff. But then, these guys are going to war. Maybe they left the nice stuff at home!

Watie actually had a wide variety of Indians in his coalition (though Cherokees were the majority - as the largest tribe in the IT). I don't think he had any of the southwestern Indians, though. A few Apaches were deported to Oklahoma after 1900, but none were present during the Civil War. Apaches fought against both U.S. and C.S. troops in Arizona and New Mexico in 1862-63, then made peace with the U.S. A variety of Texas Indians helped Watie's people after they were driven from the IT in 1863 though they did not fight alongside his forces (and in fact most had very poor relations with the Texas government - another example of how the western struggle was a separate war from the main Civil War).

Remember that the Indians who came to the IT on the "Trail of Tears" were very westernized. They were Christians, they wore western clothing, they grew cash crops, they owned modern conveniences. Watie's supporters in particular were generally well-off, westernized, often mixed-race people. Some, including Watie, were slave owners. The Indians who supported the U.S. were mostly the poorer people, most were either full-blooded Indians or of mixed African-Indian ancestry. As you might expect, blacks living in Indian society were much more likely to be pro-Union. A group of mostly black Seminoles had run away to Mexico after 1848. Some of them returned to Oklahoma during the Civil War to fight for the Union. After the war, they formed the nucleus of the Seminole Negro Indian Scouts, a recon cav unit that supported Army operations in the southwest through the rest of the 19th century.

Gray_Lensman wrote:A 3 year effort was made to address similar historical inconsistencies throughout the AACW database and indeed several hundred if not over a thousand such descrepancies were corrected from v1.07 up to v1.15. A point was reached where it was determined that it was time for AGEod to finalize AACW patch work in the form of the legacy patch (v1.15). Any further such historical data alterations/corrections are to be addressed in the form of player MODS.

If you disagree with certain data descrepancies within the current version of the game, you will have to learn to MOD the game files yourself to make them conform to your expectations.

Understood and no offense or slight meant to the fine people who worked so hard.

TheDoctorKing wrote:They do look kind of Apache-like. I would expect Cherokees to be wearing a little more flashy stuff. But then, these guys are going to war. Maybe they left the nice stuff at home!

I didn't mean to imply that they look to be Apache, it says that they are 'Apache Warriors' in the description.

Watie actually had a wide variety of Indians in his coalition (though Cherokees were the majority - as the largest tribe in the IT). I don't think he had any of the southwestern Indians, though. A few Apaches were deported to Oklahoma after 1900, but none were present during the Civil War. Apaches fought against both U.S. and C.S. troops in Arizona and New Mexico in 1862-63, then made peace with the U.S. A variety of Texas Indians helped Watie's people after they were driven from the IT in 1863 though they did not fight alongside his forces (and in fact most had very poor relations with the Texas government - another example of how the western struggle was a separate war from the main Civil War).

Remember that the Indians who came to the IT on the "Trail of Tears" were very westernized. They were Christians, they wore western clothing, they grew cash crops, they owned modern conveniences. Watie's supporters in particular were generally well-off, westernized, often mixed-race people. Some, including Watie, were slave owners. The Indians who supported the U.S. were mostly the poorer people, most were either full-blooded Indians or of mixed African-Indian ancestry. As you might expect, blacks living in Indian society were much more likely to be pro-Union. A group of mostly black Seminoles had run away to Mexico after 1848. Some of them returned to Oklahoma during the Civil War to fight for the Union. After the war, they formed the nucleus of the Seminole Negro Indian Scouts, a recon cav unit that supported Army operations in the southwest through the rest of the 19th century.

That's the kind of info that I was hoping to hear! Thanks for the insight. I read some similar info on him regarding the Trail of Tears and how he was almost killed by some of his own Cherokee people for the role that he played in negotiating the details of the transfer/resettlement out west.

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