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All right, after much reading on the subject, let me paraphrase (supply);

* Keep a wagon with your formations. If you get more than one (1) region away from a static supply source/stockpile, you'll need to send the wagon back for a fill-up at some point. Otherwise, your people are gonna starve.

* RR and rivers expedite and hasten supply distribution, but do not provide it. If I'm sitting on a fully uncontested and friendly controlled river/shore "hex", I need to have a Transport next to me if I'm more than one (1) region away from a static supply source/stockpile - in this particular case, even if I have a supply wagon with me. It's either that, or send the wagon back to a source per above.

* In the latest and greatest ([d] Beta), four (4) elements (sub-elements?) are required to build a Depot (at least from a wagon).

* A harbor may or may not be required for an 'overseas' Depot to function properly - still TBD?

Question 1: When the UI is showing 'Supply Segment: 1,2,3,...X', what is that telling me? I can guess that if it stops at 4, or 5, that is Not Good. A typical terminal value seems to be 8, 9, or 10, 10 seems to be ideal, but I have seen it terminate at 13, IIRC.

Question 2: 'Unit Yadda Yadda has taken 3 damage due to being made out of sugar and can't stand rain.' How much Damage should I worry about? I check the unit and see some red, no red, more red - when to take corrective action?

Question 3: Managed to take Richmond in Dec 61. Before I took it, there was no 'dome' icon next to the city's name that denoted it as the CSA capital. I shrugged it off and took it. I can't find the new CSA capital anywhere. Does it matter that much? Does Richmond's value as an Objective outweigh it's value as the CSA capital? Or is it all just a GDI glitch?

Thanks, GS

Hi, GraniteStater. I suggest you read the Supply article in the Wiki, here: http://ageod.nsen.ch/aacwwiki/Supply and the detailed supply thread here http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?p=132957

GraniteStater wrote:* Keep a wagon with your formations. If you get more than one (1) region away from a static supply source/stockpile, you'll need to send the wagon back for a fill-up at some point. Otherwise, your people are gonna starve.

Not correct. The 1 region limit is for units to draw supply from wagons and structures, not for wagons to receive supply from depots. The wagon is able to recieve supply during the "repartition" phase provided it is within range of a supply sender (city, depot, or harbor). The 5 region range is a maximum, and is modified based on the terrain. Once the stack with the supply wagon is out of supply range, the units will start to use up the carried supplies. You can send the wagon back to a depot or city to refill.

GraniteStater wrote:* RR and rivers expedite and hasten supply distribution, but do not provide it. If I'm sitting on a fully uncontested and friendly controlled river/shore "hex", I need to have a Transport next to me if I'm more than one (1) region away from a static supply source/stockpile - in this particular case, even if I have a supply wagon with me. It's either that, or send the wagon back to a source per above.

Mostly correct except for the last part about the supply wagon. See answer above.

GraniteStater wrote: A harbor may or may not be required for an 'overseas' Depot to function properly - still TBD?

Yes, this seems to be the case. According to Pocus, Coastal depots in regions without harbors should be able to receive ocean supply, but I've tested this and it does not seem to work. At his request, I sent him my saved test game file to look at but have not heard anything back. I'm sure he has far more important things to do, given that there aren't that many occasions when you'd want to build a coastal depot outside of a harbor region.

GraniteStater wrote:Question 1: When the UI is showing 'Supply Segment: 1,2,3,...X', what is that telling me? I can guess that if it stops at 4, or 5, that is Not Good. A typical terminal value seems to be 8, 9, or 10, 10 seems to be ideal, but I have seen it terminate at 13, IIRC.

According to a forum post by Pocus, the "supply segments" you see ticking off do not relate directly to the supply segments or phases in the game -- it's just the game engine ticking off time and has no real game play implications.

GraniteStater wrote:Question 2: 'Unit Yadda Yadda has taken 3 damage due to being made out of sugar and can't stand rain.' How much Damage should I worry about? I check the unit and see some red, no red, more red - when to take corrective action?

Always worry about damage. How much to worry? I guess it's all relative. A lot of times the weather damage is so small you can't even see the effect on the unit. It also depends on what game options you're using -- standard or historical attrition.

GraniteStater wrote:Question 3: Managed to take Richmond in Dec 61. Before I took it, there was no 'dome' icon next to the city's name that denoted it as the CSA capital. I shrugged it off and took it. I can't find the new CSA capital anywhere. Does it matter that much? Does Richmond's value as an Objective outweigh it's value as the CSA capital? Or is it all just a GDI glitch?

Not sure about this one.

GraniteStater wrote:
Question 3: Managed to take Richmond in Dec 61. Before I took it, there was no 'dome' icon next to the city's name that denoted it as the CSA capital. I shrugged it off and took it. I can't find the new CSA capital anywhere. Does it matter that much? Does Richmond's value as an Objective outweigh it's value as the CSA capital? Or is it all just a GDI glitch?

Thanks, GS

Did you see a note that your opponent moved his capital? It will appear, and the dome disappears from Richmond. Then you must play the game of find the capital. Most likely, it is either in Atlanta, New Orleans, or Mobile, unless you have already taken those cities. Richmond is worth more than just the VP/NM. It produces approximately 1/4 of the conscripts per turn for the CSA (normally 8 out of 32 points). This will hurt your opponent as manpower becomes the CSA's Achilles heel during the game (at least the way I play, after 1861, I always have Money (print it), and WS). Your opponent was able to not take the massive NM hit for losing his capital by sending it somewhere else.

Thanks, guys. I did find the capital eventually - Mobile.

Incidentally, in case people think Mobile is a bad choice on the coast, permit me to point out that although Farragut reduced the harbor, the city itself was not taken until '65, by Wilson - from the northward side!

Thx for the supply clarification - I thought I finally had the concepts and ramifications down.

I'll just keep examining units for damage.

Incidentally, I'm from New England, have been in Minnesota in late winter (I travel for work - IT; Minn. is a lot harsher winter) and have lived in southern Kansas and Kentucky. To be honest, I don't think the European designers fully grasp US climate - the US is actually semi-tropical along large swaths of the interior. It's not usually Freezing in Louisville or Lexington KY in Nov or Dec; it's actually quite mild, with temps often in the 40s for a high. The KS/OK line is right at 37 degrees north - I went through two winters in Wichita and barely saw snow.

Oh, and rivers like the Ohio don't usually freeze over solid - in fact, rivers in general, regardless of size, rarely freeze - running water. It has to be purty darn cold for a river to freeze.

Oh, well, small sample statistics. The AI weather is what it is.

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GraniteStater wrote: I went through two winters in Wichita and barely saw snow.

I went through 22 winters in Wichita and saw plenty of snow! But that was back before we had all this "global warming."

If apologies are in order, then I apologize. To be honest, that's why I ended the post with the statement about the AI weather being what it is - it was more an observation than a criticism.

I could well have expressed the observation more felicitously, I will grant you. Tone is difficult to express well on a forum - my apologies if I came across as harsh, I did not mean to be.

Thanks for the historical and climatological information - I should've just asked a question, because that's probably what I was really wishing to discuss.

Was it just this past winter that it snowed in New Orleans? I heard the weather guy say something like "odds of only 8 times in 100 years." Naturally, my first thought was, "I wonder if those odds are modeled in AACW?" Then logic took over as I concluded, "Probably not, as it's two-week turns. Snow down there wouldn't last nearly that long." Too much AACW on the brain!

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