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Will a leader who is not promotable still complain about being passed over for promotion? (Afterall, shouldn't he sort of know that he can't be promoted anyway? )

I am asking because in my current PBEM game I have had a good deal of fighting with non-promotable early war leaders and now in late 1863 I have an army with people like Phil Kearny, Crittenden and Sumner as corps commanders, with Sumner actually sitting with a "1" seniority on top of all two-stars, and of course none of them can ever be promoted to three-star ... and I am beginning to be concerned about where to get good army commanders from, without shaking up all seniority.

Why are leaders non-promotable in the first place, I wonder?

Yes, they will.

Heldenkaiser wrote:Why are leaders non-promotable in the first place, I wonder?

Because they were never promoted to that rank during the civil war, and there isn't a model file for the specified leader in the database (developers chose it this way, or maybe they didn't have enough time to make a model for every general in the database). But if you make a model for the general and set him "promotable", it will be possible.

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Evren wrote:Because they were never promoted to that rank during the civil war....

Thank you!

However, since in the game we're automatically re-writing history, doesn't it seem a bit odd that this restriction forces us to promote always the same guys as in real history?

Besides, it seems a good number of generals can be promoted way beyond their historical rank. Or isn't it so that, if a guy is promotable at all, he can go all the way to army command?

Heldenkaiser wrote:Thank you!

However, since in the game we're automatically re-writing history, doesn't it seem a bit odd that this restriction forces us to promote always the same guys as in real history?

Besides, it seems a good number of generals can be promoted way beyond their historical rank. Or isn't it so that, if a guy is promotable at all, he can go all the way to army command?

Military predestination. Some are elect, the rest are damned.

I would prefer a random system where any general could be promoted with random ratings and abilities. But I suspect it would need major changes to the AGE engine, so maybe for an AACW 2?

squarian wrote:Military predestination. Some are elect, the rest are damned.

Uh, oh. I may have to pull out my theologian's union card.

Heldenkaiser wrote:Thank you!

However, since in the game we're automatically re-writing history, doesn't it seem a bit odd that this restriction forces us to promote always the same guys as in real history?

Besides, it seems a good number of generals can be promoted way beyond their historical rank. Or isn't it so that, if a guy is promotable at all, he can go all the way to army command?

The other problem was that is was difficult to get agreement on the ratings and attributes of the Generals that were in reality promoted. The prospect of starting a 'discussion' on deciding ratings and attributes on Generals for which there is no history was probably too much for the designers.

Chaplain Lovejoy wrote:Uh, oh. I may have to pull out my theologian's union card.

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So why not use the random leader generator stuff to fill in the blanks? Or does it not work in a way that could be used as such? That way you wouldn't know. I mean the game gives you Lyons when he died before he could really prove much and lets you promote him to a point, so it seems like there should be some way to provide it.

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Thank you all for your comments, gentlemen.

In fact it now happened to me, this turn. I can promote Meade, but Phil Kearny will feel passed over. Actually Phil Kearny was one of the guys I had in mind when talking about non-promotable generals who I think should better be promotable. No doubt, had he lived, this chap would have gone far. There's a reason why I have him still in command of a corps (whereas Sumner was there simply by default). ("Had he lived" is a valid argument I think, as long as my opponent has ASJ in charge of an army. Only he was already an army commander ere his death at Shiloh, historically, so the promotion problem does not arise in the game.)

Question (I know I ought to know the answer, but seems I don't): If I choose not to promote Meade this time, will the offer come up again when he fulfills the conditions next time? Or won't he ever again come up for promotion? In that case, of course, damn Kearny and the 148 VP, Meade still gets his star.

Heldenkaiser wrote:Thank you all for your comments, gentlemen.

In fact it now happened to me, this turn. I can promote Meade, but Phil Kearny will feel passed over. Actually Phil Kearny was one of the guys I had in mind when talking about non-promotable generals who I think should better be promotable. No doubt, had he lived, this chap would have gone far. There's a reason why I have him still in command of a corps (whereas Sumner was there simply by default). ("Had he lived" is a valid argument I think, as long as my opponent has ASJ in charge of an army. Only he was already an army commander ere his death at Shiloh, historically, so the promotion problem does not arise in the game.)

Question (I know I ought to know the answer, but seems I don't): If I choose not to promote Meade this time, will the offer come up again when he fulfills the conditions next time? Or won't he ever again come up for promotion? In that case, of course, damn Kearny and the 148 VP, Meade still gets his star.

If you choose not to promote Meade, he will lose some seniority. However, if we he wins a few battles, his seniority should bring him back to possible promotion. He can be promoted after being passed over, provided he meets the conditions.

Le Ricain wrote:If you choose not to promote Meade, he will lose some seniority. However, if we he wins a few battles, his seniority should bring him back to possible promotion. He can be promoted after being passed over, provided he meets the conditions.

Thank you! So this will be triggered any time the requirement is met afresh? It will also be triggered again when Meade comes into the top four of his rank, or what was it again--the other possible condition?

Heldenkaiser wrote:Thank you! So this will be triggered any time the requirement is met afresh? It will also be triggered again when Meade comes into the top four of his rank, or what was it again--the other possible condition?

The conditions are: 1) become either no 1 or no 2 in his rank or 2) improve by 4 from his original senority.

I tend to use Sumner quite alot and as he is not promotable beyond 2*, I have to disappoint him many times during a game, but he always springs back. Apparently, he is unaware that his promotion prospects are blocked.

Le Ricain wrote:Apparently, he is unaware that his promotion prospects are blocked.

Evidently not.