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Will this be the ai we've all been waiting for?!?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:12 am
by Daxil
Seems to me if this technology is perfected it will only be a matter of time before it's implemented in time-consuming strategy games... :w00t: :thumbsup:

Artificial brain '10 years away'
By Jonathan Fildes
Technology reporter, BBC News, Oxford

A detailed, functional artificial human brain can be built within the next 10 years, a leading scientist has claimed.

Henry Markram, director of the Blue Brain Project, has already simulated elements of a rat brain.

He told the TED Global conference in Oxford that a synthetic human brain would be of particular use finding treatments for mental illnesses.

Around two billion people are thought to suffer some kind of brain impairment, he said.

"It is not impossible to build a human brain and we can do it in 10 years," he said.

"And if we do succeed, we will send a hologram to TED to talk."

'Shared fabric'

The Blue Brain project was launched in 2005 and aims to reverse engineer the mammalian brain from laboratory data.

In particular, his team has focused on the neocortical column - repetitive units of the mammalian brain known as the neocortex.

"It's a new brain," he explained. "The mammals needed it because they had to cope with parenthood, social interactions complex cognitive functions.

"It was so successful an evolution from mouse to man it expanded about a thousand fold in terms of the numbers of units to produce this almost frightening organ."

And that evolution continues, he said. "It is evolving at an enormous speed."

Over the last 15 years, Professor Markram and his team have picked apart the structure of the neocortical column.

"It's a bit like going and cataloguing a bit of the rainforest - how may trees does it have, what shape are the trees, how many of each type of tree do we have, what is the position of the trees," he said.

"But it is a bit more than cataloguing because you have to describe and discover all the rules of communication, the rules of connectivity."

The project now has a software model of "tens of thousands" of neurons - each one of which is different - which has allowed them to digitally construct an artificial neocortical column.

Although each neuron is unique, the team has found the patterns of circuitry in different brains have common patterns.

"Even though your brain may be smaller, bigger, may have different morphologies of neurons - we do actually share the same fabric," he said.

"And we think this is species specific, which could explain why we can't communicate across species."

World view

To make the model come alive, the team feeds the models and a few algorithms into a supercomputer.

"You need one laptop to do all the calculations for one neuron," he said. "So you need ten thousand laptops."

Instead, he uses an IBM Blue Gene machine with 10,000 processors.

Simulations have started to give the researchers clues about how the brain works.

For example, they can show the brain a picture - say, of a flower - and follow the electrical activity in the machine.

"You excite the system and it actually creates its own representation," he said.

Ultimately, the aim would be to extract that representation and project it so that researchers could see directly how a brain perceives the world.

But as well as advancing neuroscience and philosophy, the Blue Brain project has other practical applications.

For example, by pooling all the world's neuroscience data on animals - to create a "Noah's Ark", researchers may be able to build animal models.

"We cannot keep on doing animal experiments forever," said Professor Markram.

It may also give researchers new insights into diseases of the brain.

"There are two billion people on the planet affected by mental disorder," he told the audience.

The project may give insights into new treatments, he said.

The TED Global conference runs from 21 to 24 July in Oxford, UK.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8164060.stm

Move over Athena

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:39 pm
by gchristie
here comes Skynet.

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:13 pm
by Sol Invictus
Our ultimate doom is near! :eek: In the meantime I could use a new brain. :thumbsup:

New Brain?

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:53 pm
by tagwyn
I have often been advised to "THINK!" Does this mean I will think like a robot? t

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:22 pm
by dooya
Daxil wrote:Seems to me if this technology is perfected it will only be a matter of time before it's implemented in time-consuming strategy games... :w00t: :thumbsup:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8164060.stm
At the moment they are just trying to simulate one cortical column of the rat neocortex and they need a IBM super computer for this. The cortical columns in the human brain consist of far more neurons compared to the rat and there are 10 thousands of cortical columns in the human neocortex, thus, it will take a lot of super computers and a long time to simulate a brain. Actually I think that this task will never be completed, because sooner or later they will recognize that they simulate something, but not a working human brain. But even if they succeed to simulate a brain, it is not granted that this brain exhibits any kind of intelligence as we might know it, or even any intelligence at all.

To get a unbeatable AI, it might be easier to give Pocus access to the IBM super computer and let Athena run on this piece of technology. :thumbsup:

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:27 am
by Pocus
I think they hope for an emerging behavior, a common phenomena in nature, i.e they reproduce the structure of the brain, and voila, it will work as a brain.

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:30 am
by arsan
dooya wrote: But even if they succeed to simulate a brain, it is not granted that this brain exhibits any kind of intelligence as we might know it, or even any intelligence at all.


Yeah, i know quite a lot of examples of human brains that show no intelligence at all. My boss, etc... ;) :D

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:57 am
by dooya
arsan wrote:Yeah, i know quite a lot of examples of human brains that show no intelligence at all. My boss, etc... ;) :D
And you are really sure that he does not control what you are writing in the internet while working? :wacko: :bonk: :niark:

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:01 pm
by arsan
dooya wrote:And you are really sure that he does not control what you are writing in the internet while working? :wacko: :bonk: :niark:


Don't worry, he is like a veeery baaaad Ai ;) :wacko:

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:04 pm
by tagwyn
Arsan: I know how you feel. I have had several "bad" bosses. Best to just leave as soon as possible. t