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I'm probing the 1880 Campaign with Italy. Version 1.03e.
The historical events go for Italy automatically without decision for the italian human player.

Examples:
1
A visit between the emperors of Austria-Hungary and the kings of Italy happens without a demand of visit of Austria-Hungary (and my italian approve).
I think the right thing could be: Austria ask Italy for a visit and Italy can accept or not.
2
The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy happens as event but I have not asked this pact, the Alliance doesn't exist in the Foreign Window but the relationship with France is now some points down (20 points more or less) and with the germans and austricians is some points up (about 20 points too).
A possible right thing: Germany and Austria ask Italy for an Alliance and Italy can accept or not.

Schwarzer Herzog wrote:I'm probing the 1880 Campaign with Italy. Version 1.03e.
The historical events go for Italy automatically without decision for the italian human player.

Examples:
1
A visit between the emperors of Austria-Hungary and the kings of Italy happens without a demand of visit of Austria-Hungary (and my italian approve).
I think the right thing could be: Austria ask Italy for a visit and Italy can accept or not.
2
The Triple Alliance between Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy happens as event but I have not asked this pact, the Alliance doesn't exist in the Foreign Window but the relationship with France is now some points down (20 points more or less) and with the germans and austricians is some points up (about 20 points too).
A possible right thing: Germany and Austria ask Italy for an Alliance and Italy can accept or not.

Unfortunately this events in game are just for flavour, and you have to set up your alliances yourself, but you should be thankful that the game doesn't create the alliance automatically (like I think it should), because then you could complain about being "forced into following history", the game is about history, I also agree that you could have a more active role in these events, as it would be much more fun, but as it is, they only serve to add flavour to the game. In any case, Italy is not trustworthy, so if I was Italy I wouldn't care about signing a treaty I would not honour

The situation is that Italy has now a good relationship with Germany and Austria-Hungary and very bad with France and this is not my decision as italian ruler in the game.
This is my note for a possible improvement.
My game, I would like to do the war with Austria with the help of the French and it is me more difficult now.

Schwarzer Herzog wrote:The situation is that Italy has now a good relationship with Germany and Austria-Hungary and very bad with France and this is not my decision as italian ruler in the game.
This is my note for a possible improvement.
My game, I would like to do the war with Austria with the help of the French and it is me more difficult now.

I understand your point, but the game has it's historical mechanisms to lead the player to a more historical path, by the way you should be thankful of this aproximation with the Central Powers, as Italy did it because it was isolated in Europe, and Italy isolated is an easy prey to the great powers of the continent.

But you can change it within time, with a good diplomatic strategy (I'm specialist here ), try using your diplomats to "promisse local support to France" whenever possible, and then try a few state visits and it will improve your relation with the french rather quickly, while angering the germans and to a less extent the austrians, you need to plan your strategic alliances well in the game, so if you want to be in France's side by the beginning, use this trategy, but remember that this could deprive you of some very good colonies that the french want to grabble (like Tunisia), and THIS was also one of the reasons the italians distanciated themselves from the french. So, all in all you "must pay the price" of the choices you make, I wouldn't want a war with the austrians so early in the game, specially because the germans could intervene and then you'd be doomed (even with french help).

You have the freedom to choose your strategic path, but always remember the consequences of your choices.

actually some improvements to some events are planned, to reflect more a choice of player

basically they are based on play of options (give the player a limited choice of "yes " or "no" to choice the path)

remains to see how many will be implementyed, as they rest on shopulders of a few volunteers (not full time) but they are identified and planned

given the impressive cost of totally redrawing a diplomatic AI (months, years of full time programmer activity) they will certainly remain based on script of options, happening/not happening according to circumstances (test planned), but generally foloowing historical lines, leaving little place for alternative strategies (that would need a very refined AI geostrategic analysis for that - none of the sort presently has been develioped anywhere (alas) )

so, if this development takes place, you'll be offered option to sign triplice or not, given a normal progress of game alon,g ghistorical lines, but not a british, french or russian proposal.

for the present inconvenience, you are legitimate to privilege paramount irredentist anti austrian natural Italian aspirations, though, anticipation of 14-18 or remainder of Risorgimento should not mask the political rationales factored in the game and somehow "rigid" events :

in 1880 and around, (legitimate) anti Austrian policy was a dead end for Italy :
- Italy could in no circumstance had won a 1 to 1 duel with Austria
- with not border with Austria, smashed by Prussia, France had others problems to care of (namely, colonialism, then in due time and circumstances, revenge)
- Austria was a useful and necessary counterweight for Britain and germany (playing a subtle doule cross game) for balancing Russia in Balkans - and for Italy annoying Britain was pure suicide
- A direct rush on Austria wasn't considered by Russia, first because Ottoman were not ousted from Balkans then, and tensuions were lower, second because it wouldn't have helped them breaking Britain and Austria consensus + german reaction (rather more important than far and weak Italy)

so nobody would have found such policy helpful and nobody would have helped THEN

conversely, confronted to French (especially) and British colonial competition, Italy needed help or at least neutral benevolence, here was germany and her Austrian ally .... after, with British- French and Russian closing, conditions would change ... long after

Christophe.Barot wrote:actually some improvements to some events are planned, to reflect more a choice of player

basically they are based on play of options (give the player a limited choice of "yes " or "no" to choice the path)

remains to see how many will be implementyed, as they rest on shopulders of a few volunteers (not full time) but they are identified and planned

given the impressive cost of totally redrawing a diplomatic AI (months, years of full time programmer activity) they will certainly remain based on script of options, happening/not happening according to circumstances (test planned), but generally foloowing historical lines, leaving little place for alternative strategies (that would need a very refined AI geostrategic analysis for that - none of the sort presently has been develioped anywhere (alas) )

so, if this development takes place, you'll be offered option to sign triplice or not, given a normal progress of game alon,g ghistorical lines, but not a british, french or russian proposal.

for the present inconvenience, you are legitimate to privilege paramount irredentist anti austrian natural Italian aspirations, though, anticipation of 14-18 or remainder of Risorgimento should not mask the political rationales factored in the game and somehow "rigid" events :

in 1880 and around, (legitimate) anti Austrian policy was a dead end for Italy :
- Italy could in no circumstance had won a 1 to 1 duel with Austria
- with not border with Austria, smashed by Prussia, France had others problems to care of (namely, colonialism, then in due time and circumstances, revenge)
- Austria was a useful and necessary counterweight for Britain and germany (playing a subtle doule cross game) for balancing Russia in Balkans - and for Italy annoying Britain was pure suicide
- A direct rush on Austria wasn't considered by Russia, first because Ottoman were not ousted from Balkans then, and tensuions were lower, second because it wouldn't have helped them breaking Britain and Austria consensus + german reaction (rather more important than far and weak Italy)

so nobody would have found such policy helpful and nobody would have helped THEN

conversely, confronted to French (especially) and British colonial competition, Italy needed help or at least neutral benevolence, here was germany and her Austrian ally .... after, with British- French and Russian closing, conditions would change ... long after

I agree here with you Christophe, but you got to remember I'm talking about the game as it is now, its current state. It would be wonderful to have such events with choices for players, but as I explained (and you explained it even further), the best strategy for Italy in the 1880s is to sign the triplice alliance, otherwise it would find itself completelly isolated in Europe.

So it's for your best intesrest Schwarzer Herzog (with such a nickname you want to fight AGAINST Austria? ), that you remain in Germany-Austria alliance. Try to grab Tunisia before the french do, and make some diplomatic moves as I advised and you'll end up doing good. Later you could have your aproximation with the british and french if everything happens as usual.

Good Luck for you and if you need any help, just ask me.

Cheers.

I only say that if you are playing as the ruler of one of the playable nations, the diplomacy of this nation mustn't be determined (sometimes) for the software.
If an spontaneous alliance occurs, this is a bug.

I thank the advices but if an italian attack against Austria is a good o a bad idea or if Italy is a good nation to play, this is under my opinion a subject for another thread.