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Dictators

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:08 pm
by Augustus
I have a small question to this amazing game.

How many times can the Romans appoint a dictator, and get four new legions (Roman, Socii)?

I currently play the first Punic War, and has now four times appointed a new dictator. I can do it because there is a small Volsinii army in Italy.

A total of 16 new legions!!!

Maybe a little unfair (and unrealistic). Carthage does not have a chance to win now.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:58 pm
by Franciscus
IIRC in the long FPW this option can be chosen 5 times

In your case, it can be considered you are maybe "cheating" :) the option, if you choose a Dictator but do not destroy the enemies of Rome...

;)

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:58 pm
by vaalen
Augustus wrote:I have a small question to this amazing game.

How many times can the Romans appoint a dictator, and get four new legions (Roman, Socii)?

I currently play the first Punic War, and has now four times appointed a new dictator. I can do it because there is a small Volsinii army in Italy.

A total of 16 new legions!!!

Maybe a little unfair (and unrealistic). Carthage does not have a chance to win now.


I have a house rule that when a dictator is appointed, Rome must do everything reasonably possible to destroy any enemy forces in Italy. Leaving an enemy force in Italy untouched so you can recruit more dictators seems gamey, though effective, and would have never happened in reality.

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:21 pm
by squidelica
i've found that compared to the other campaigns the punic war is rather easy. playing as either rome or carthage it does'nt seem like much of a challenge.......with the dictator spamming, prehaps a good way to offset the advantage rome gains would be to introduce an option for carthage which is available after x amounts of dictator legions have been raised.
also playing as carthage vs AI its just to darn easy to take sciliy and hold it for two years and then getting an absolute victory.....

for such a long scenario it could certainly do with some more fleshing out

Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:26 pm
by dpt24
If you want more fun as Carthage either start the war with Numidia or go and invade Italy itself. Historically the 1st Punic War had a lot of dpwntime in it for both sides, but obviously in the game you can try and make it more like the 2nd Punic War with the massive land campaign in Italy, though it must be sea born. A word of caution I wouldn't attempt the Invasion unless you've got at least 100,000 troops and a fair amount of replacements. And capture Capua if you want to lay siege to Rome

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:19 am
by Chai Chai
Does the Volsinii Army trigger the Dictator? Does any Punic incursion into Italy trigger a Dictator as well?

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:47 pm
by mariandavid
Strange - traditionally any 'armies', meaning legions and alae, raised for a Dictator were term limited, in that the men who served understood that they returned to their farms when the short term of the Dictator ended. Had something to do with the authority of the tribes versus that of the Senate. So I suppose the easy fix is to disband those legions when the Dictator vanishes - regardless of where they are!

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:34 pm
by Florent
"So I suppose the easy fix is to disband those legions when the Dictator vanishes - regardless of where they are! "

I agree + a prorogation if there is still an ennemy force in Italy but in the end a disbandement is necessary.

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:51 pm
by Hobbes
Florent wrote:"So I suppose the easy fix is to disband those legions when the Dictator vanishes - regardless of where they are! "

I agree + a prorogation if there is still an ennemy force in Italy but in the end a disbandement is necessary.


Sounds like a good idea

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:46 pm
by Franciscus
It seems doable, shall be discussed with the masters

(not the prorrogation, but anyhow, if Rome continues under threat a new Dictator would be recruitable)

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:49 am
by vonBredow
Florent wrote:"So I suppose the easy fix is to disband those legions when the Dictator vanishes - regardless of where they are! "

I agree + a prorogation if there is still an ennemy force in Italy but in the end a disbandement is necessary.


+1 from me.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:58 am
by bob.
Could you say what the exact criteria for calling in a dictator are?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:09 pm
by vonBredow
Capua and one more Roman city are threatened by 25+ enemy elements (I may be wrong, but there basically has to be a major threat to the Republic on the Italian mainland).

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:01 am
by Augustus
Florent wrote:"So I suppose the easy fix is to disband those legions when the Dictator vanishes - regardless of where they are! "

I agree + a prorogation if there is still an ennemy force in Italy but in the end a disbandement is necessary.


Sounds like a really good idea

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:40 pm
by Random
I'm finding that the option to appoint a Dictator remains even after the threat is gone.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:57 pm
by Franciscus
Random wrote:I'm finding that the option to appoint a Dictator remains even after the threat is gone.


Yes, but although it may remain in the F3 panel if not selected and the conditions necessary (x enemy elements threatening Rome) cease to exist, it will not work - but will if those conditions return. The text is I think more or less explicit about it...

No easy way to do otherwise,...


Regards

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:39 pm
by Random
Franciscus wrote:Yes, but although it may remain in the F3 panel if not selectable and the conditions necessary (x enemy elements threatening Rome) cease to exist, it will not work - but will if those conditions return. The text is I think more or less explicit about it...

No easy way to do otherwise,...


Regards

That's good, to be honest I had not tried to select a Dictator after driving the Carthaginian's out of southern Italy, twice now. I'm exercising self-restraint in appointing dictators and that one extra consular army (to date, now on Turn-38) is Really, Really handy with the upper-case for emphasis. The relative uselessness of the average Praetor as a leader goes some way towards nullifying the power of the additional forces provided by the non-demobilizing legions.

Thanks.

-C