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[WIP] WAS Unit Graphics

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:20 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
I'm working on a set of graphics for Rise of Prussia, mainly centered on the War of the Austrian Succession (one could still use it for the Seven Years War as well though).

I started with some basic infantry. The first pack contains one set of Habsburg "german" and "hungarian" infantry (musketeers and grenadiers each) and one set of Prussian infantry (musketeers and grenadiers). As it is still WIP, only the pictures are in the pack (as unit/army/portrait), but I've not named them properly yet.

If you have any positive or negative criticism, or suggestions, please let me know! :) I'm not striving for hyper-realism (button holes, etc.), just for the overall impression and awesome moustaches!

(The tops of the grenadier caps are unfortunately clipped off, but I didn't want to resize the grenadiers :( ).

Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:15 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Added a pack of Habsburg cavalry (see attachment first post).

PS: Check out the photos on the "Bavarian War/Bayrischer Krieg". They're taken from a painting showing WAS-camp-life of the habsburg army in Bavaria. I'm especially interested in the pandurs (one of the next packs :) ). They're probably the most renown (or rather notorious) troops of their time. And in general, troops from the habsburg-ottoman-border seem to have made a big impression (hussars in all armies, grenzers as pioneers of the shako?). On the second picture (nr. 96), you can see a whole village being demolished, probably to serve as firewood. Not too uncommon (also field bakeries required lots and lots of "fuel"). And you can see groups of troopers arriving with fodder(=fourage) for horses, which was, apart from the depot-flour-bakery-bread-troop-chain, a major issue for armies. I want to implement a few of these issues in a mod and start an "experimental AAR", as soon as I get to know how sieges work. ;)

Also take a look at this bavarian votive tablet. Obviously someone undertook a pilgrimage to thank Mary for an escape from pandurs/hussars:


And by the way, David Moriers' paintings in the Royal Collection can now be displayed as a whole (you don't have to use a magnifier that only shows a part of the painting any more) - just click on "download this image" to show the whole in full size.

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:29 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
A small preview in colourfull blue and red! A Grenzer (czakel-cap/Mirliton!), one of the famous Trenck Pandurs, a Prussian Leibcorps Hussar, a nicer "Siege Works"-marker, a new transport wagon (based on a depiction in the Bautzener Bilderhandschrift ca 1762), and a field bakery.

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:27 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
Another wip-update/decision.

As I will start with a small scenario, the Invasion of Silesia 1740/41, without the Bohemian and Upper Austrian theatre of war (7 day turns make up for it!) I can put quite a lot effort into the details. So here are a few Prussian leader-portraits for this scenario, from left to right line 1, Frederick, the Old Dessauer, Schwerin, Holstein-Beck; line 2, Buddenbrock, Schulenburg, Kalckstein. I still need to work on them a bit in order to make them look more cohesive. But as you can see, I'm going to leave them more "realistic" in style. I was very delighted to find these portraits, as they're almost all but 1 or 2 years pre or post 1740, so they actually give us a good idea of the faces of the campaign - and you can also see that those doll-head whigs were en vogue at that time.

However, the portrait-situation for the Austrians seems to be much more difficult. I will see what I can do.

It's clear that I also need to adjust all unit-graphics (more yellow and red, warmer light) to match the portraits. Moreover I also decided to use a darker background colour, as my unit graphics are in general darker than the vanilla ones, so I need to make the details come out better with a darker background. I actually like this green-blue colour for the Prussians. I think it matches very well the colour-tone that the uniforms of the rank-and-file Prussians would take on during a campaign (at least to Hyacinth de la Pegnas paintings). In general, I think that the "warm" style of the graphics also fit better to the beautifull map.

PS: On music
Check out this video(first & second by András L. Kecskés, Kecskés Ensemble; third ?) for an impression of what hungarian hussars would have sung at their campfires: Its a song dating from the Rakoci-era. Interestingly, the traditional hungarian "verbunkos"-dance-music is also said to have come up during the 18th century in connection with military recruiters - "verbunkos" being the magyar interpretation of the german word "Werbung"/recruitment.

For the music of Trencks' pandurs, you probably need to search for "mehter" on youtube to get an idea. The famous band of his pandours used the same instruments as jannissaries, and probably also helped to inspire the European craze for "a la turca".

There are also some nice CDs out there with 18th century prussian marches (search for Volker Wörrlein, Preußische Armeemärsche des 18.Jahrhunderts (only the drum and fife parts), Christian Blüggel/Märsche des Soldatenkönigs; plus add some Tippecanoe Ancient Fife and Drums Corps french stuff for more elan). The 19th century instrumentalisation of many vanilla records (mostly marches that have been written but a few decades later) doesn't quite do justice to the period. ;)

Apretty old military-folk-melody is the melody of what is today known as "Prinz Eugen der edle Ritter", telling of Prince Eugenes' capture of Belgrad. Allegedly, it originated 1683 as a Saxon song on the siege of Vienna ("Als Chursachsen das vernommen..."). Unfortunately, I have yet to find a record of it that does not make my ears bleed.

Another old melody that has also been used with various texts (for he's a jolly good fellow!!): Malbrough s'en va-t-en guerre (here by Poeme Harmonique; see context in the comment).

Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:27 am
by Baris
Thanks for the portraits and historic info.
As for 'Trencks pandurs' instruments indeed similar. 'Zurna' (similar to flute but totally different sound) and especially big drums has the main impact on morale& motivation for Janissaries. 'Akide' is a type of sugar that they seem to distribute among Janissaries in case they revolt or for honor them. ;)

For the big drums (Kös) ; it should be played by the orders of the Hakan 'kûs-i hâkanî' (Sultan of the drums) for marching.

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:36 pm
by Baris

From Hungarian band about original Belgrade siege march. Not sure if they have impact on later siege warfare but could be well implemented to the engine in some way ;) . After I read about the impact of music on the siege(s).

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 7:35 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Very nice! Thanks for sharing! :)

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:38 pm
by Baris
I came across the band in a TV programme. Which was about arguing versus official history about the siege in Belgrade which should be under Otto control at the time. Either rebellion or some circumstance there was a siege. Was mentioned it was difficult to defend the siege against 1000's of drums and horn played repeatedly at the same time. 'Mehteran' did some concerts with Red Army Choir band but I don't think it did catch the tune.

Posted: Fri May 02, 2014 12:41 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
One of my rare finds for habsburg portraits so far

János Niklas Beleznay of Belezna and Pilis

Posted: Sat May 03, 2014 8:57 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Since I'm a bit stuck right now in terms of mechanics, I thought I could show a few of my work on graphics/immersion. In order to make the game more cohesive in terms of aesthetics (especially since I use warmer light for the unit-graphics), I also adjusted a few things on the map (small details). The faction-colours have also been altered (see background of the units cards). The map shows Silesia with a few topographical adjustments of the major objective towns, and I've changed the major road between Glogau and Breslau to run on the western side of the Oder (not visible on the screen; unfortunately I still need to adjust the region-graphics - there are some small bright pink stripes where I've exceeded the border of the original region-graphics?). The Glatzer Neisses' location is rather weird - but I'm not able to do such major changes.

I've also attached a battle-info-screen ("hosting scale") that I'm working on. Since battles in my mod take a bit longer than the vanilla ones, I get to see this screen a bit longer and it doesn't fit to the epoque as well as the other UI-windows in the game. The info on the location of battle, phase, etc. will be positioned right below the portraits in the middle. Even though it looks nice individually, I'm not sure yet whether I keep it this way or how I can make it fit better to the other UI-elements.

EDIT: As I know me, I rather think it will be the other way round: I adjust the other elements to fit my rococo-style :) - see additional pictures (still need to find a solution for the putto and the eagle...). So it will be a rococo-UI-mod to fit the new unit-card-style.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:33 pm
wow. i love them. these are great. i see great attention to detail.

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:03 pm
by ClaytonJay
Grenadier uniforms are top class.
Portraits are realistic.
I hope you fully flush this one out, because I'm a fan.

Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 6:37 am
by Ruskolnikov

This really looked like a great mod....did you ever get time to finish it?



Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:50 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
Here my latest additions: insurrectio hussar, Neipperg, Militia/armed civilians of any kind

@ Insurrectio Hussar: These were troops that the estates (/counties) of the hungarian crown provided in spring/summer 1741. Not really regular hussar regiments but a kind of voluntary levy. The number fell short of the expectations, however. Instead if 20.000 troops, ca. 2.300 were raised.

And I'm also reworking Neippergs portrait. There is but one good picture on the internet, unfortunately, it shows him at a younger age with an allonge whig, which is not suitable for 1740. So I cut off his whig, gave him a different cravatte and tried to make him look a bit older. It's still WIP though. In general, it's hard to find portraits of the Habsburg officers. Sometimes it helps to translate their names into Hungarian or Czech or Croatian and search on google. In fact, I often had to look up their proper names first. Here is a small list. I know that many names are still missing, I try to keep it up to date:

FM = Feldmarschall
FML = Feldmarschall-Lieutenant
GDK = General der Kavallerie
GFWM = General-Feldwachtmeister
FZM = Feldzeugmeister

Fürst = duke
Graf = count
Freiherr = baron
Edler = knight (?)
von ___ = untitled / gentry

*** General en chef
NEIPPERG Wilhelm Reinhard Graf von Neipperg IV.1741: FM (picture)
KHEVENHÜLLER Ludwig Andreas Graf von Khevenhüller zu Aichelberg und Frankenburg FM (picture) [for alternative history - I probably don't offer this option in the Silesia Inrupta-mod]

** (generals who formed part of the gr. Generalstab in Silesia 1740/41 historically?)
BERLICHINGEN Johann Friedrich Freiherr von Berlichingen FML (no picture)
BROWNE Maximilian Ulysses Browne Graf von Camus und Mountany FML (picture)
GOLDY Peter Christoph Freiherr Göldlin von Tiefenau FML (alias Goldy/Göldy) (no picture)
GRÜNE Nikolaus Franz Joseph Hemricourt de Mozet, Graf von Grünne GFWM, IV.1741: FML (no picture)
RÖMER Karl Joachim Freiherr von Römer FML, III.1741: GDK (non-contemporary picture)

* (active in Silesia in 1740/1741 but not part of the gr. Generalstab?; some of them are not of general-rank (Trenck, Menzel) - not sure yet if and how I will use them; in general, I need to go over this list once more and see who was really active in Silesia)
ANDLAU Franz Joseph Marinus Freiherr von Andlau-Birseck? [no general-rank 1740/41] (no picture)
ARGENTEAU Louis Octave Denis Graf von Argenteau-Mercy [no general rank?] (no picture)
BATTHYANY Karl Joseph Fürst von Batthyány GDK (picture)
BARANYAY Johann Graf Baranyay de Bodorfalva GFWM, IX.1741: FML (no picture)
BELEZNAY Johann Nikolaus Beleznay von Belezna und Pilis [no general rank?] (picture)
BERNKLAU Johann Leopold Freiherr von Bärnklau zu Schönreith GFWM (picture)
BIRKENFELD Wilhelm Pfalzgraf bei Rhein, Prinz von Birkenfeld-Zweibrücken? GFWM (no picture)
BOTTA Anton Otto Marquese de Botta-Adorno FML (picture)
CSAKY Georg I. Emerich Graf Csáky von Keresztszég und Adorján GDK, IX.1741: FM (picture)
DAUN which one? several at this time; Leopold Joseph Maria Graf Daun, Fürst von Thiano FML (picture)?
DICKWEILER Philipp Edler von Dickweiller III.1741: GFWM (no picture)
D'OLLONE Alexius Graf d'Ollone [???] (no picture) [somehow, I suspect O'Donnell?]
FALAIZE Nicola Franz Freiherr Falaize GFWM (no picture)
FESZTETICS Joseph Graf Fesztetics de Tolna GFWM (no picture)
FEUERSTEIN (Andreas Leopold OR Anton Ferdinand?)
FISCHER Franz von Fischer GFWM (no picture)
FRANKENBERG Joseph Ignatz Graf von Frankenberg und Ludwigsdorf, Freiherr von Schellendorf? III.1741: GFWM (no picture)
GAISRUCK Franz Sigismund Hieronymus Felix Graf von Gaisruck? FML (no picture)
HOLLY Johann Joseph Maximilian Freiherr von Holly GFWM (no picture)
KAROLY Franz Károly Graf von Nagy-Károly GFWM (picture)
KHEUL Karl Gustav Freiherr von Kheil (auch Kheul) GFWM (no picture)
KÖNIGSEGG Christian Moritz Graf von Königsegg-Rothenfels OR Lothar Joseph Dominik Christian Graf von Königsegg-Rothenfels?
KOLOWRAT Emanuel Wenzel Cajetan Graf von Kolowrat-Krakowsky OR: Cajetan Franz Xaver Graf von Kolowrat-Krakowsky ?
LENTULUS Caesar Joseph Freiherr von Lentulus GFWM (no picture)
LUZAN Antonio Graf von Luzán OR: Johann Emanuel Graf von Luzán ? (no picture)
MENZEL Johann Daniel von Menzel [no general-rank] (picture)
O'GILVY Franz Carl Hermann Graf von O'Gilvy / O'Gilvie FZM (no picture)
PALFFY don't know which one of them
PALLANT Albrecht Freiherr von Pallant GFWM (no picture)
PHILIBERT Philipp Freiherr von Philibert [???] (no picture)
PICCOLOMINI Octavio II. Aeneas Joseph Piccolomini, Herzog von Amalfi GFWM (no picture)
PREISING Ernst Friedrich Freiherr von Preysing GFWM, III.1741: FML (no picture)
REISKY Franz Wenzel Freiherr Reisky von Dubnitz GFWM (no picture)
ROTH Wilhelm Moritz Freiherr von Roth OBRIST, VI.1741: GFWM (no picture)
SCHULENBURG Ferdinand Ludwig Graf von der Schulenburg-Oeynhausen FML (no picture)
ST. IGNON Karl Graf von Saint Ignon?
STRASSOLDO Ferdinand Joseph Graf von Strassoldo [no general rank?] (no picture)
TRENCK Franz Freiherr von der Trenck [no general-rank] (picture)
WALLIS Franz Wenzel Graf von Wallis, Freiherr von Karighmain FML (no picture)
WURMBRAND Heinrich Graf von Wurmbrand-Stuppach OR: Kasimir Heinrich Graf von Wurmbrand-Stuppach ? (no picture)

Most of the prenames are "germanized". No malicious intention here, I'm just not accustomed to hungarian names.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:42 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
Habsburg cuirassier ready for action!

By the way here is a painting showing three-year-old archduke Leopold and his cuirassier regiment (Erzherzog Leopold Kürassiere) in the background. Leopold became proprietor/chef of the regiment in 1750, which is probably also the date of the painting.

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:23 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Some close-ups of the current status of my babies. These here are almost finished, I think. I'm pretty happy with them.
In case you're wondering why they seem to be prying at each other: There are only two pixels that I can use for the eyes, so I need to use one for the pupil and one for the white of the eye. :D

Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:38 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Perhaps someone knows? I was wondering about the equipment of cuirassier and carabinier-companies (the latter being the "specialist company" of a cuirassier regiment). I'm not sure whether oridnary cuirassiers were also equipped with a carbine. Osprey-booklets (not a big fan of them for this topic) say yes. Also most contemporary, mid 18th cent. depictions (see images; plus consult the royal collection "David Morier"; plus see image linked above with archduke Leopold) show men wearing a cuirass with a carbine, as you can tell from the two belts (the broader one for the carbine, the smaller one for the ammo-bag).

PS In any case I will keep the unit images clear (see images). Carabiniers are holding a carabiner, have the cross-belts and their head is turned to show the profile, cuirassiers are holding their pallasch/sword, no belts, looking at the player.

PS: I've just read that carabineers - in contrast to ordinary cuirassiers - were equipped with sabres instead of swords. Whatever the case, I don't care too much. ;) Oh and I see that Kronoskaf also mentions it. Interestingly, the same differentiation is true for dragoons (pallasch) and horse grenadiers (sabre). E.g. Batthyany Horse grenadier:

Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:00 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
Okay, now that I've changed the theme of my mod to the Kolín campaign 1757, I'm going for 7 years war units. Luckily, there is not too much of a difference. I can keep most of the regular infantry units.

I've created these two fellows for the small demo-scenario I'm working on: Warasdin-Creuz Grenzer regiment, ordinary hatman and grenadier (yes, they had bearskins! I think I need to make it a bit larger or give it a front-plate). The second battalion of the Warasdin-Creuz Grenzer were part of Daun's army that faced off Beverns corps before Kolín. Since their units come in company-size, you'll be able to see both of them in the game! I've also got versions without the red cape. But since it was so distinctive and also hints at the role of the Grenzers (always in touch with the enemy, no baggage, highly flexible, sleeping without tents), I opted for the cape-version. On some depictions, they're shown wearing it in (skirmishing) action. I hope you like them.

By the way, in Hyacinth de la Pegnas painting of the battle of Hochkirch, you can see grenzers in closed formation!

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:33 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
The Prussians are coming! Some units for the Kolin campaign: Manteuffel and Zastrow infantry, Wietersheim, Itzenplitz, Mayernick and garrison regiment nr. VII grenadiers. Plus a Puttkamer hussar (white).
I want a slight variation in the blue of the coats as all colours would fade rather quickly under campaign conditions. The exception being white which could be chalked (?). I guess that the French and Habsburg armies must have looked more unitary than other armies.
Two Prussians even have their hair powdered. :)

Left to right: Meyernick grenadier, Manteuffel infantry, Itzenplitz grenadier, Bornstedt infantry, Garrison-Regiment VII grenadier, Puttkamer hussar, Wietersheim grenadier (my favourite :) ),

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:07 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Too many pictures for one post, the forum doesn't let me upload any more in one post. So all Prussians go to post #18, all Habsburg additions here:

Nádasdy hussar, Warasdin-Creuz grenzer-grenadier, Warasdin-Creuz grenzer

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:52 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Porporati horse grenadier - his arm needs to be corrected one day. I envy his cap.

Now only Stechow dragoons, Prince Savoy horse grenadiers and battalion guns are missing for the scenario (


Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 12:52 am
by JacquesDeLalaing
Latest addition: Banal grenzer. Desperately needed for the Kolín-campaign. ;) + reworked Neipperg hatman.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 1:04 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Latest addition from Transylvania ("Siebenbürgen"): a Kálnoky hussar. There is quite a lot of confusion on the uniform in the different sources. Morier (War of the Austrian Succession) has them dark blue with yellow lacing, the Albertina Manuscript 1762 light blue-red with yellow lacing, the "Bautzener Bilderhandschrift" 1762 blue with red lacing. So this one is a bit of a compromise.

And an Gaisruck infantry hatman.

By the way: Does anyone know a source for music that can be used for my mod? All I could find so far is this: (some nice Vivaldi). I'd prefer proper fife and drum music, but there are hardly any ensembles that actually recreate 18th century military music with the reduced instrumentation you'd hear on campaign (the only convincing one to me seems to be theTippecanoe Ancient Drum and Fife corps, which is canadian, but I can't use their music for a "public" mod). As for the typical Prussian marches: I have not been able so far to find even a single record that does not shout "19th/20th century instrumentation", which is a no-go, being of such a different spirit than the 18th century.

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:19 pm
by Nikel
Something like this?

According to this wikipedia article (of another march) it is anterior to the 7YW and so contemporary.

It comes from another game dlc, the complete list

As you say most of what you can find are orchestral versions. Nevertheless you can start searching from a list of marches and look to what you can get:

I cannot find this in the list, but it sounds very good to me :)

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 7:51 pm
by JacquesDeLalaing
Thank you, Nikel! How in the world did you find the march of the "Sensenschmiede" (scythe-smiths)? I really like it. :)

The dum and fife pieces sound nice indeed, but the legal problem remains. I cannot simply use any mp3 file that I like, can I (my music-library would be large enough)?

PS: Nice link to pictures of Hanoverian troops: