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I don't understand how the new stick of private funds is calculated. I'm trying to insert a screenshot but it won't upload my pic (jpg).
(i'm playing French version so this is my translation ...)

Private capital stock is +119
expected Income (revenu prevu): -271 (yes, minus, how is it possible?)
expected expanses (depense prevue): -79
stock next turn (stock prochain tour): -73

Huh ??

How is -73 calculated ?

+119 -271 +79 = -73

But this makes no sens at all ...
Any explanation ?

PS: how can I insert a pic ?

As to the picture problem, there should be a button above the area where you type (it looks like a small tree in a frame for me). When hovering over this button you should see "insert image". Click this button to upload an image.

As to your income, the game allows you to attempt to purchase more than you can pay for. I say attempt, as your merchants stop purchasing when they run out of money. Or they get a loan for their factory to keep production going. So even though it may show negative, it may not go there each turn.

There are 2 main ways you can run negative. You are either importing too many goods (versus what you are selling), or have too many factories open/being built. I assume this is early in the game, and if that is the case, you need to review your purchases versus your factory costs and exports. Remember, the game estimates that all transactions will work at x%, where you can change the %, but it defaults to 100. So you may be trying to sell 100 units of cotton for example, but if no one is buying your cotton, your actual selling is 0. The game won't tell you this, so you think that you are making money that you really aren't. You can check your actual sales using the F4 key.

Did you get a message in the log stating that your people took out a loan last turn? If so, then that could explain why your expenses are negative.

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In fact we purchased for 225 and sold for 98 only.
How can I reduce purchasing of my private sector ?

But anyway, the figures themselves do not add up correctly...

+119 -271 -79 = -231 (and not -73) and whatever does it mean .. just the math is not correct

Can I suggest a fishing trip around my Sardinian-Piedmont AAR, there are a lot of posts in there about economic management etc which you can find from the table of contents - so you don't need to wade through the whole thing.

In particular there is a nice (though I say it myself) flowchart of where PC comes from and goes to.

Here, you have 119 from last turn.

You are going to use 271 for domestic production (so I'd suggest this means you need to close down some less important production ... remember the 'B' screen).

The rest of the flow is you use PC to buy goods (imports) and you gain PC by selling goods (exports). So again, I'd suggest you need to buy less or sell more.

However, imports are not all bad.

Some go to your industry and some are sold to your domestic population (the ratio you set on the F4 screen determines this ... which is why I'm suggesting review a few of the AAR updates). What you sell to your domestic population in turn produces new PC. So its hard to work out as international trade is variable.

It also looks like you have used some of your PC to buy a new structure (which is the other usage).

Edit - in general the B screen doesn't tell you the full picture about PC, you are better working your way down the relevant column in the F4 screen for this one

Do you have a cristal ball ?

How do you know I purchased a structure ?

Is it a coincidence that you are mentioning Piemond-Sardegna ? Because this is what I am now playing and I can't see how you could know that from my pic (or did I mention it earlier, don't think so ...)

Will certainly read your AAR :-)

Depense Prevu ... in other words planned expenditure - most likely to be a structure.

S-P is what I used for the AAR, mainly as at the start its small and compact which really helps to understand the flows and interactions. My first two attempts were Russia and the Ottomans and I was totally lost as to what was going on

Yep :-) this is exactly why I picked S-P too.
First try with France and I was overwhelmed.

It's international trade. For some reason, buying on the international market counts as a negative to income. So if you're selling 500 on your domestic market and importing 700, it will say you have an income of -200.

enf91 wrote:It's international trade. For some reason, buying on the international market counts as a negative to income. So if you're selling 500 on your domestic market and importing 700, it will say you have an income of -200.

Ok, this makes sense. But how then do you explain this equation from my screenshot ?

+119 -271 -79 = -231 (and not -73)

allan_boa wrote:Ok, this makes sense. But how then do you explain this equation from my screenshot ?

+119 -271 -79 = -231 (and not -73)

the problem is the 'B' screen doesn't show the full calculation for PC. You need to read down the column on the F4 screen as that includes imports/exports, not just usage in production and usage due to additional building

OK, thanks :-)