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I was playing around with a force stack trying to reduce my command penalty, and wondered what is the benefit of not attaching as many units as possible to divisions within the corp?

Are some units not able to be attached to a division, such as sappeurs and trains etc?

Do you get combat bonuses for leaving some units outside a division?

Does the manual discuss these issues, if so, could someone kindly highlight the relevant page.

Dog_date wrote:I was playing around with a force stack trying to reduce my command penalty, and wondered what is the benefit of not attaching as many units as possible to divisions within the corp?

Are some units not able to be attached to a division, such as sappeurs and trains etc?

Do you get combat bonuses for leaving some units outside a division?

Does the manual discuss these issues, if so, could someone kindly highlight the relevant page.

Bump. It seems a good question. No answers?

I always thought that there was a limit of sorts --and hence some kind of a penalty if your division or Corps was too large for the commander to handle. (It seems logical to me.)

That's sure, but the point is:

1) is there any reason not to attach a unit to a division when attaching doesn't involve any kind of penalty?
2) how should I determine what kind of units is better to leave outside of a division (especially when putting all of them into a division would involve a command penalty)?

Aside from artilleries batteries, which are more versatile when not in a division, you are better put as much elements as you can.

Pocus,

Could you expand on why artillery is more versatile when not part of a division? That is not mentioned in the manual.

Warren

I think it makes sense having specialised units at the corp level. This would simulate the Corp Commanders ability to send these units to a division within the Corp that required them.

If one of these units was attached to a division, your would think it would not be able to "help" another division within the Corp.

Having said that, if it doesn't matter where it is placed, who in their right mind would leave it at a corp level sucking up command points?

When within a division, an artillery will support the elements of the division against the opposing unit. If used as in independent unit within a corps, the artillery will instead always fire against the strongest engaged enemy unit.

Pocus wrote:When within a division, an artillery will support the elements of the division against the opposing unit. If used as in independent unit within a corps, the artillery will instead always fire against the strongest engaged enemy unit.

Interesting! I suppose its also the same on AACW, isn't it?
TIA!

yes

Hmmm.....interesting. Guess my intuition about leaving one or two arty at the corps level was fortuitous.

Nial

So, would it make sense from a game perspective to pile up batteries in an army stack, since it would probably support adjacent corps' That would be a nice historical touch.
On the artillery in Corps, when you have spare command points it will be nice, but otherwise it seems still better to attach artillery to a division because a single battery takes 1 command point while an entire division takes just 4.

Much more of an issue for the coalition. I've found having 50k + French corps not to be a problem. The French Generals have CPs to spare in most cases.

Nial

This is intended as an historical touch yes

Pocus wrote:This is intended as an historical touch yes

I thought as much.

Pocus wrote:This is intended as an historical touch yes

Maybe a bit heavy handed, at least some scenarios look a bit too inbalnced in favour of the French to play PBEM, for instance the 1806 Prussian campaign.

Im curious to know why, if Sappeurs, trains and Pioneers don't benefit the corp stack (verse placement in a division), why does the scenario have them at a corp level? They seem to suck up CP for no benefit?

This was probably how they where organised, but if you have to manage your forces to stick them in a division, why not have the scenario stick them in a division to start with?

Also, what bonuses do Sappeurs and Pioneers provide? Would it be best to stick them in an infantry division (I assume no benefit should be gained by placing them in a cav division). If they are placed at corp level, who do they give bonuses to?

Pontoneers work at the stack level, rest assured. Sappers are used for siege so it works also as you expect.