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I hope 2 straight topics doesn't bother anyone, but they are completely different questions....

i have benedict arnold, another leader, an empty supply, and a regiment of rangers up in Tegyndhydre-whatever, up by lake erie -- i am stuck in a zone of control problem and cannot move them out of there at all, each month it says benedict arnolds army is blocked by units in tegyndhydre-whatever, but there are no units that i can see on the map-- can they be hidden for like 15 months??

do i have to go and sit an army in that region until we get control? (we have like 37% only) all the surrounding regions are british (I am AME in the 1775 campagin) -- how do i liberate them? stupid tories, i shall tar and feather all of the fort niagara region

1. does an enemy fort exists in the region?

2. military control can change rapidly, but loyalty is another story. You can pacify very slowly with an army the region, but to achieve a significant success, it is better to capture strategic towns, this will send "ripple" of loyaltie across the map.

fort niagara is in the region, but I thought I was in it... perhaps I cannot occupy it due to having only leaders, supply, and rangers?

so am i stuck?

Can be that. The color of the fort name should indicate you who own it.

sully1971 wrote:so am i stuck?

Yes. You can only move into an area which at least equals your control in the province where the fort has blocked you. Niagra is surrounded with empty wilderness, so it may not be possible to get another unit to change control of an adjacent area.

If you think you'll die before the siege ends, try an assault, it may retreat you out of the fort.

Rangers are irregulars so they cannot capture forts or towns. Only British Light Infantry (who are Irregulars also) can do that.

My solution to your dilemma is:

1. Move a regular or militia unit to the fort in question in order to capture it (pref with a Fast Mover -leader) or
2. Take the supply unit from your force and then try to withdraw from the area as I understand irregulars can move quickly and freely ignoring ZOC. You'll have to sacrifice the supply unit but what ever works?

This can help IF you don't own the fort.

You should be able to set your army to 'passive' and retreat out of a zone of control.

It seems the problem with ZOC is that the software does not know from what area your units came. The idea of ZOC is I assume to prevent units moving past forts as if they did not exist (although with the scale I'm not sure this is a bad thing)

But a unit should surely not get "stuck" around a fort, it should at least be able to retrace it's steps. A work around could be that a unit is always able to move into an area where there is a friendly unit regardless of ZOC effects? But this would only be a slight improvement.

When a player is forced to assault to try and get a retreat result it shows a problem with the game mechanism.

Chris

the engine knows from where you come, otherwise it would be impossible to give you a crossing penalty from a river in battle.

The ZOC vocable is used, but its not totally the same meaning as in other game. In BoA the ZOC is the region interdicted, and not the adjacent ones. The aim is to prevent a player from moving in a fort, and then pass "behind" if he don't have some control.

As Frank said, you always have the option to revert to passive. This is risky only if you get caught.

Aha thanks Pocus, I thought that was a suggestion for a change from Frank, I hadn't seen the passive move mentioned anywhere.

Chris

interestingly, I put us on assault prior to reading all of the above great suggestions and finally had a battle with (and won) 2 indian units... now it is the next turn, i will try and change to passive and get out of the region if possible.

Yes possible Hobbes, if it don't works in 1.06.1, then its a suggestion of Frank for 1.07

Seems to work fine in 1.06.1! I think the problem was the passive move through ZOC ability was not mentioned anywhere unless I missed it. It was not in the patch notes for ZOC.

Cheers, Chris

Hobbes wrote:Aha thanks Pocus, I thought that was a suggestion for a change from Frank, I hadn't seen the passive move mentioned anywhere.
Chris

Sorry, I worded it that way because I never got around to testing it.