Kotik wrote:I have seen in the game as confederates that the areas Fort Morgan and Fort Clark (both are in NC) is on are strongly unionist, is this correct or a error?
Kotik wrote:I have seen in the game as confederates that the areas Fort Morgan and Fort Clark (both are in NC) is on are strongly unionist, is this correct or a error?
Jabberwock wrote:If the southern unionist regions get adjusted, then northern copperhead regions should get adjusted at the same time. Off the top of my head:
The triangle formed by Cape Girardeau, Cincinnati, and St Louis was known as "butternut country".
Pope's first assignment was fighting guerillas in northeast Missouri.
The northern counties of West Virginia were considerably less enthusiastic unionists than the southern counties.
Le Ricain wrote:I agree.
LMUBill wrote:Scott County Tennessee is missing.
From the TN Encyclopedia
"During the Civil War, Scott Countians were strongly Unionist in sentiment. U.S. Senator Andrew Johnson denounced secession at a courthouse speech in Huntsville on June 4, 1861, and the county voted against secession by the greatest percentage margin of any Tennessee county. In fact, local residents so opposed the Confederacy that later in 1861 the county court approved a protest resolution that announced the county's secession from the State of Tennessee and the creation of a "Free and Independent State of Scott." Guerrilla warfare occurred in the county during the Civil War, but no major battles occurred within the county's boundaries."
Coffee Sergeant wrote:I'm not sure looking at the vote count would mean a whole lot. Lee for instance, was personally opposed to secession, but he did fight for the South when 'his country' (Virginia) join the Confederacy.
Coffee Sergeant wrote:I'm not sure looking at the vote count would mean a whole lot. Lee for instance, was personally opposed to secession, but he did fight for the South when 'his country' (Virginia) join the Confederacy.
8thTnCav wrote:Unionist loyalties of some regions are often wildly overstated. The myth of a monolithically pro-union East Tennessee was largely the product of Lincoln’s wishful thinking and postwar yankee history/propaganda.
8thTnCav wrote:Unionist loyalties of some regions are often wildly overstated. The myth of a monolithically pro-union East Tennessee was largely the product of Lincoln’s wishful thinking and postwar yankee history/propaganda.
Sullivan County in the heart of upper East Tennessee was the staunchest pro-Confederate county of all counties in East Tennessee, referred to as “the little Confederacy of East Tennessee.” The loyalty of counties in East Tennessee was along the following lines:
Strongly pro-Confederate counties: Sullivan, Sequatchie, Rhea, Meigs, Monroe, and Polk
Divided: Marion, Hamilton, Bradley, McMinn, Bledsoe, Knox, Cocke, Grainger, Hancock, Hawkins, and Washington
Strongly unionist counties: Scott, Morgan, Roane, Campbell, Anderson, Claiborne, Blount, Sevier, Jefferson, Greene, Carter, Johnson
Also, the counties in Southwest Virginia were less unionist and more strongly pro-Confederate than suggested.
Deo Vindice
8thTnCav wrote:Unionist loyalties of some regions are often wildly overstated. The myth of a monolithically pro-union East Tennessee was largely the product of Lincoln’s wishful thinking and postwar yankee history/propaganda.
Sullivan County in the heart of upper East Tennessee was the staunchest pro-Confederate county of all counties in East Tennessee, referred to as “the little Confederacy of East Tennessee.” The loyalty of counties in East Tennessee was along the following lines:
Strongly pro-Confederate counties: Sullivan, Sequatchie, Rhea, Meigs, Monroe, and Polk
Divided: Marion, Hamilton, Bradley, McMinn, Bledsoe, Knox, Cocke, Grainger, Hancock, Hawkins, and Washington
Strongly unionist counties: Scott, Morgan, Roane, Campbell, Anderson, Claiborne, Blount, Sevier, Jefferson, Greene, Carter, Johnson
Also, the counties in Southwest Virginia were less unionist and more strongly pro-Confederate than suggested.
Deo Vindice
Jabberwock wrote:Overall I think the loyalty system is fine, but the data (or lack of data) is the problem. Most regions currently have loyalty ranges of from 85-100%. If more (disloyal) regions had ranges from 55-70%, then they would retain their basic loyalty, unless the other side put an occupying force in the region for an extended period, and had some strategic success as well. If the owning side had strategic success and/or an occupying force, those regions would become more loyal. That seems more realistic to me, without a monolithic switch of loyalties, or getting too deep into a "can of worms".
chainsaw wrote:I have some info about 1860's Florida:
1. It had a very low population (smallest in the CSA), and most lived in the northern "panhandle"
2. There was a large pro-union sentiment, but I could not identify which counties or regions;
3. By mid-war the southern portions of the state were effectively a no-man's land.
In game terms - propose that you leave the north part of the state "as is" but reduce CSA loyalty to <60% for the central and southern. By mid war the CSA lost control of that portion due to confederate deserters, run-away slaves, etc.
Some sources include -
"By 1860, on the eve of the Civil War, the population was 140,424 people; about 80% of them lived in the state's northern rim, where cotton and sugarcane plantations flourished." ( So less than 30,000 lived in the central or southern portions of the state). Source: US Census data
"Anti-war sentiment grew in Florida during the latter stages of the war. The state became a haven for Confederate deserters and draft evaders and by late 1864 Confederate control over the state was effectively reduced to portions of northern and central Florida." Source: The Smallest Tadpole: Florida in the Civil War
http://www.floridamemory.com/OnlineClassroom/FloridaCivilWar/history.cfm
Le Ricain wrote:Really good info.
Using your and LMUBILL's posts, I have gone ahead and completed the Eastern Tennessee list. The AACW regions that I left out were Sullivan (which would have included Polk County), Rhea (which would have included Sequatchie County) and Meigs.
I left in Monroe. Initially Monroe County was pro-union, but with Fort Sumter the county went strongly pro-confederate. So far so good. However, in addition to the 14 companies Monroe raised for the CSA, Monroe also raised 14 companies for the USA during the course of the war. This sounds like divided loyalty to me, but you seem to know more about this than I do and I will follow your advice.
LMUBill wrote:Actually on the AACW map, 3/4ths of Polk County is in the Monroe, TN region. (The other 25% is in the Bradley, TN region).
Same thing with Sequatchie County, on the map it is half in Rhea and half in Grundy.
So it's all good.
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