Joseignacio
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Too few supply. A bug?

Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:36 pm

Following this AAR of some two AGEoD fans...

http://www.puntadelanza.net/Foro/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6482

One of the players (human vs human) complains that he cannot support his troops in the first winter of the campaign (starting April 1861). He has control of the county or province or whatever, since he controls the city (Harpers Ferry) and inside it there is a serious garrison (I don't know how many but used to be strong, to stop a possible desperate winter attempt by the Northern to recover it. That is, was strong until he had to move troops to recover to Richmond to recover.

He has railroad lines going through originally (and in that moment too) confederate territories, so he should have more than 25% control. His river transport for the city is blocked by the union forces. There is a depot (empty), and he is having to make convoys of carts to supply minimally.

¿A bug? ¿Or there is a reason for this?

He says he is reserving a 2/3 of the railroad capacity for supply matters. He is wondering if his armies are simply too big or the train lines cannot support such a concentration of troops/supply needs.

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Pocus
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:20 pm

what are the stock in nearby depots and what is his army consumption a turn? Supply are not distributed optimally and there is always rather big stocks sitting at several locations, even if not needed.
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Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:59 pm

I called his attention on this thread, I hope he will be mmore specific. :) Thx.

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Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:12 pm

I'm the player in the joseignacio question.

I don't remember the stock in nearby depots or the daily consumption, this problem was in the winter 61 and first turns of 62. Now i'm playing feb.63.

When the problem shows i had 25.000 men in a great corps under Jackson in Harper's Ferry. Clear conect and untouched rails net between this base and my rear depots in Charlottesville and Richmond and 2/3 of rail capacity however, in a few turns i must withdrawn the troops to Fredericksburg to survive.

The question is not if the comsumption of this huge stack of troops is so great that i must disperse in small stacks in nearby areas.
The question is that i supose the "game engine" send automatic supplies by river or rails to Harper's Ferry independently the number of troops.
This is: if i have 3.000 troops in HF, the game send 10 units of supply a turn, by example BUT, if i have 30.000 troops, the game THEN send 100 units of supply.

This is true? Or really in the case of huge stacks is necessary send charriots turn after turn after turn...etc..

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Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:35 am

This is why I asked you to give me figures. The supply code do scale up sending somehow with the number of troops in a given place, but there is so much it can do... so yes, if you have a too great troop concentration and you sit in the end of a chain (whatever the quality of the link toward the network), then it is entirely possible that not enough supplies are given to your army.
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Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:33 am

Thanks.

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Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:04 pm

Thanks Pocus.
Anyway i must confess that it's simply impossible to me maintain my CSA Armies in the field. Now, early 63, only had 50.000 men in the east theatre.
I cannot sustain more troops. Rail network is 2/3 and no USA units between frontline and my rear depots.

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Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:12 am

what are your biggest stockpiles in the area? If under 500, then your supply network is streched, and you must produce more supply.
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Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:39 am

Pocus wrote:what are your biggest stockpiles in the area? If under 500, then your supply network is streched, and you must produce more supply.



Pocus, Fremen cannot asnwer you for the moment. He will come back in a few days.

Thank you for your help.

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Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:13 pm

Pocus wrote:what are your biggest stockpiles in the area? If under 500, then your supply network is streched, and you must produce more supply.


Ok, i will check it next turn my stockpiles.
Anyway, how i can produce more supply? In the economics folder?
I must construct industrialization in the areas i have small stockpiles like Virginia in this case?

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Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:20 pm

yes, industrialization is the way to go.
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