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Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:25 am

Again...no nickname for Thomas....or Hancock. One other question...shouldn't Reynolds have a higher seniority then he currently does? He was offered command of the Union army prior to Meade

(wow...I feel like I'm rapidly devolving into a Reynolds fanboy)

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Joe Johnston - "Old Joe"
Robert E Lee - "Mars Robert"
Winfield Scott - "Old Fuss and Feathers"
Winfield S Hancock - "Hancock the Superb"
Nathaniel Banks - "Commissary Banks"
John Fremont - "The Pathfinder"
Benjamin Butler - "Spoons" or "The Beast"
William Rosecrans - "Old Rosy"
Henry Halleck - "Old Brains"
Ulysses Grant - "Unconditional Surrender Grant"
John Pope - "The Miscreant Pope"

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John Pemberton - "Lose a whole army Pemberton"

Just kidding.

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Chris0827 wrote:Joe Johnston - "Old Joe"
Robert E Lee - "Mars Robert"
Winfield Scott - "Old Fuss and Feathers"
Winfield S Hancock - "Hancock the Superb"
Nathaniel Banks - "Commissary Banks"
John Fremont - "The Pathfinder"
Benjamin Butler - "Spoons" or "The Beast"
William Rosecrans - "Old Rosy"
Henry Halleck - "Old Brains"
Ulysses Grant - "Unconditional Surrender Grant"
John Pope - "The Miscreant Pope"


George Thomas - 'Pap'
Winfield Hancock - 'The Superb'
Ulysses S Grant - 'Sam'

PGT Beauregard - 'The Little Creole'
James Longstreet - 'Old Pete'
Edmund K Smith - 'Seminole'
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Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:40 am

whys howards seniority above meade and lyons? both commanded armies before howard

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Lyon commanded a division sized force. Since he died in 1861 we'll never know how high he could've gone but it wouldn't be right to make him senior to a general who actually did command an army. Meade should be senior to Howard. He became a Major General before Howard and commanded an army before Howard.

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Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:05 am

But while Howard was a brigade commander in the East at the onset of the war, Lyon's force was 6000 strong. By those measures i would put him ahead of Howard

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In 1861 you would be correct but the ratings above are for the generals as army commanders. Lyon never got there. Howard did.

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Here are the Confederate Army commanders with their highest rank and date of rank.

Samuel Cooper - Gen May 16th, 1861
A.S. Johnston - Gen May 30th, 1861
Robert E. Lee - Gen June 14th, 1861
Joe Johnston - Gen July 4th, 1861
P.G.T. Beauregard - Gen July 21st, 1861
Braxton Bragg - Gen April 6th, 1862
E. Kirby Smith - Gen April 19th, 1864
John B. Hood - Gen July 18th, 1864
James Longstreet - LTG Oct 9th, 1862
Leonidas Polk - LTG Oct 10th 1862
Thomas J. Jackson - LTG Oct 10th, 1862
John C. Pemberton - LTG Oct 10th, 1862
Earl Van Dorn - MG Sept 16th, 1861

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Union Army Commanders with Date of Rank
Grant was the only general Promoted to Lt. Gen and should be senior to all at that point. All the rest were Major Generals except for Lyon.

Winfield Scott - June 25th, 1841
Robert Patterson - April 19th, 1861 (a special case. see below)
George McClellan - May 14th, 1861
John Fremont - May 14th, 1861
Benjamin Butler - May 16th 1861
Nathaniel Banks - May 16th, 1861
Henry Halleck - August 19th, 1861
Ulysses Grant - Feb 16th, 1862
Irvin McDowell - March 14th, 1862
Ambrose Burnside - March 18th, 1862
Don Carlos Buell - March 21st, 1862
William Rosecrans - March 21st, 1862
John Pope - March 21st, 1862
Samuel Curtis - March 21st, 1862
George Thomas - April 25th, 1862
William T. Sherman - May 1st, 1862
Edward Ord - May 2nd, 1862
Joseph Hooker - May 5th, 1862
Henry Slocum - July 4th, 1862
James McPherson - Oct 8th, 1862
George Meade - Nov 29th, 1862
John Scofield - Nov 29th, 1862
Oliver Howard - Nov 29th, 1862
John Logan - Nov 29th, 1862
John Reynolds - Nov 29th, 1862
Winfield Hancock - Nov 29th 1862
Nathaniel Lyon - Died a Brigadier General

I would add Phil Sheridan - Dec 31st 1862 and Edward Canby May 7th, 1864 as army commanders.

Patterson was a Major General of Pennsylvania troops and had signed on for 90 days. He performed so poorly that Winfield Scott did not ask him to remain after that. In my opinion he should be a corps commander. His force wasn't large enough to be called an army. He should probably be removed from duty by a special event at the end of July 1861 too.

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Patterson did really command an army in 61, the Army of the Shenandoah (disbanded later then recreated in 64 by Sheridan, say to me Wiki).
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It was called an army but it had less than 15,000 men and most were 90 day volunteers.

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that's right, I also discovered that W. Scott was not the only officer who did the 1812-1846-1861 serie, as Patterson was also in the same case.

Perhaps as an independent force more than a corps then, this will slow him further as he will lacks command points :)
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John E Wool was another Civil War general who fought in the War of 1812 and the Mexican War.

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Chris0827 wrote:Joe Johnston - "Old Joe"
Robert E Lee - "Mars Robert"
Winfield Scott - "Old Fuss and Feathers"
Winfield S Hancock - "Hancock the Superb"
Nathaniel Banks - "Commissary Banks"
John Fremont - "The Pathfinder"
Benjamin Butler - "Spoons" or "The Beast"
William Rosecrans - "Old Rosy"
Henry Halleck - "Old Brains"
Ulysses Grant - "Unconditional Surrender Grant"
John Pope - "The Miscreant Pope"


Robert E Lee - "The King of Spades"

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Korrigan - I have been looking all over the AACW game files for something like the picture you have here. I'm updating the list of generals (similar to the one that comes as a PDF in the doc folder) for version 1.13b and I currently have everything done except any changes that occur when a leader is promoted. I've been doing test games to promote a handful of leaders to get the stats, but obviously that is very time consuming. Is there a file you could point me to that has that info (like on that sheet)? I.e. at 2 stars U.S. Grant has ratings of XXX and abilities of ....., then at 3 stars the ratings are XXX and abilities of ....

I've tried the .csv/excel files in the Settings folder, but it just seems to list events. I'm not a modder, so I'm not very familiar with file types and such, but hopefully there is something right under my nose!

Thanks for any direction you can provide.

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Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:26 pm

Gray_Lensman wrote:He basically took the latest AACW_DB_Models???.xls file and stripped out most of the columns/rows to get the display above.

You can get the ...Models???.xls file by downloading the AACW Database files from the first post in this thread: http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=5358

Keep in mind this file constantly undergoes editing changes so even that particular Models.xls (contained in that download) is not the latest. I personally have the prospective latest which is still undergoing changes for the next update patch and for the moment is not compatible with v1.13b, so it is not releasable.


Gray - Thanks for the post, I did some searching on forum, and couldn't seem to find what I was looking for (though I'm sure it helps to have a basic idea of what to look for :) ). It is the ...Models file. That is exactly what I needed. I know that this will be periodically updated as you and others work to improve the game, but at least now that I know where to go, I'll be able to update my sheet as well. Thank you very much, I'll hope to have my little project completed by tonight, and I'll post the file later this week. Though I still have to figure out how to do that!

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"L. Rousseau"

Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:56 pm

Gray_Lensman wrote:For what it's worth, there aren't any changes to existing generals currently in the file I'm working with other than a new additional leader that will be included in the next game patch. "L. Rousseau" (a USA leader)


Gray - I'm using the 1.13b version and I already see this leader (as I have him on my sheet). I show him entering in Early January 1862 in Washington DC with '62 Division Generals. He's a 2 star leader with seniority of 68, politic of 1, he's not promotable and has stats of 3/1/1. Maybe I already downloaded on of your fixes? I know I downloaded something to fix the building of ships in landlocked areas, but I don't know if it had any other updates in there.
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Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:21 pm

I suspect Gray is introducing a * version of Lovell H. Rousseau who was appointed a Brigadier on 01/10/61 and became a Major General on 08/10/62.

Its good because a lot of the in game ** generals should start at the lower rank ie Charles S. Hamilton or Robert H. Milroy and be promoted by event or by merit :mdr:

I have lists of appointment dates if thats any use to you.

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No Rousseau didnt seem to advance to Corps level although he seems to have been entrusted with important rear area commands.

As you say you need to think Division/Corps/Army rather than by rank in this game.

http://virtualology.com/aplovellharrisonrousseau/ I've found this site to be quite good at getting specific dates.

And if your lucky you can find what you want in the preview version of this http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fs0Ajlnjl6AC&pg=PP1&dq=%22John+H.+Eicher%22&ei=2Mi2SenXKpr2MYjvkNwL (If you were really lucky you would actually own this!).

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George Thomas was "The Rock of Chickamauga!"

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Eugene Carr wrote:No Rousseau didnt seem to advance to Corps level although he seems to have been entrusted with important rear area commands.

As you say you need to think Division/Corps/Army rather than by rank in this game.

http://virtualology.com/aplovellharrisonrousseau/ I've found this site to be quite good at getting specific dates.

And if your lucky you can find what you want in the preview version of this http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fs0Ajlnjl6AC&pg=PP1&dq=%22John+H.+Eicher%22&ei=2Mi2SenXKpr2MYjvkNwL (If you were really lucky you would actually own this!).


On October 19th 1863 George Thomas was given Command of the Army of the Cumberland. Lovell Rousseau was the Logical Choice to Succeed Thomas as the commander of the XIV Corps. The Kentuckian had much in his favor: he was the Army of the Cumberland's senior division commander, had always performed well in battle, and was revered by his men, Unfortunately, Charles A. Dana disagreed with these facts. A journalist by profession, Dana was an assistant secretary of war and confidant of Secretary Stanton. Dana was sent to hot spots in the war to provide information to the War Department on Union generals. He had been with the Army of the Cumberland since the Middle Tennessee Campaign and for some reason disliked Rousseau, calling him an "ass of eminent gifts." and reporting that the XIV Corps would be better served by virtually any other general. Rousseau's soft stance on slavery did not endear him to Washington radicals. Secretary Stanton also had an unfavorable opinion of Rousseau, formed during the latter's visit to Washington the previous August. Stanton denied the Kentuckian command of a Corps but did not stop there. He removed Rousseau from the army of the Cumberland. Rousseau was assigned to Nashville as commander of the District of Middle Tennessee, an administrative posting that effectively ended Rousseau's military career. Major General John M. Palmer, a division commander with average credentials from the defunct XX Corps, took over the XIV Corps on November 12, 1863. Rousseau, a self-educated soldier who had evolved into a consumate professional, swallowed his pride and left without protest.
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Possible Error????

Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:19 pm

I'm compiling the updated generals list for the CSA currently and I just noticed something that may be an oversight, but I'm not certain.

In January 1863 "O. Wilcox" arrives in Richmond, VA with 63' Division Generals (Not to be confused with Cadmus Wilcox who arrives a year later). While attempting to find a bio for O. Wilcox, I came across the following:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/owillcox.htm

It is from Arlington National Cemetery and indicates that Orlando B. Wilcox was a Union General.

It's very possible that there was another O. Wilcox, but I thought I'd point this out nonetheless.

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Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:45 pm

The 1864 campaign has O. Wilcox as a divisional commander in Hills Corps, that should be Cadmus Wilcox. (mdl 501 rather than 605).

I think also that this should be the Union Willcox who served mainly with the 9th Corps.

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