John B. Hood

[rickd79]

141 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood3 NULL NULL NULL NULL 13 15 3 8 General 1 NULL 6 4 1
162 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood2 NULL NULL NULL NULL 8 5 2 19 General 1 NULL 6 4 1
198 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood NULL NULL NULL NULL 3 3 1 25 General 1 NULL 6 4 1


John B. Hood:

Hood is very well regarded as a division commander, and you might choose to give him some traits to reflect how well he performed in this regard.
Gaines' Mill: (actually still only commanding a brigade at this point, but his men delivered a crushing assault)
2nd Manassas: His division delivers a crushing assault
Antietam: His division delivers another crushing assault
Gettysburg: Hood is wounded just as his men enter the fight, but his troops perform pretty well against the harshest of terrain.
Chickamauga: His division delivers yet another crushing assualt. Hood receives another grievous wound.

As a division commander, you might consider giving him the "Gifted Commander," "Charasmatic," or "Strong Morale" rating.

Obviously, Hood's performance as a Corps and Army commander suffered, so these ratings would not be appropriate in that regard.

[Pocus]

yes, the manual do indeed quote him for being a good division commander and a bad corps one. The stats should reflect that too

[Korrigan]

141 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood3 NULL NULL NULL NULL 13 15 3 8 General 1 NULL 4 4 1
162 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood2 NULL NULL NULL NULL 8 5 2 19 General 1 NULL 4 4 1
198 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood $Strong Morale NULL NULL NULL 3 3 1 25 General 1 NULL 6 4 1

[PhilThib]

To help understanding, the # you see right after the name (Hood, Hood2, Hood3) indicates the rank (respectively Brig , Div., Corps/Army)

[Chris0827]

I'd give him reckless at all three levels. At army and corps command I'd give him dispirited leader. As a corps commander he bypassed the chain of command and sent letters to Richmond critical of Johnston in an attempt to get command of the army. As an army commander he constantly shifted blame to his subordinates when something went wrong and destroyed the morale of his men by throwing their lives away in pointless attacks.

[runyan99]

Yes, Hood seems to have gotten worse, not better, as the war went on, he lost limbs, and was promoted.

Make him a poorer Army commander than a Corps commander.

[Korrigan]

How about this?

141 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood3 $Dispirited_Leader $Hothead NULL NULL NULL 13 15 3 8 General 1 NULL 4 4 1
162 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood2 $Dispirited_Leader $Reckless NULL NULL 8 5 2 19 General 1 NULL 5 4 1
198 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood $Strong_Morale $Reckless NULL NULL 3 3 1 25 General 1 NULL 6 4 1

[marecone]

Fine by me

[Spharv2]

If I'm reading those numbers right, you're dropping his Strat rating and leaving his attack value at 4? If so, you've got it backwards. He had no problems moving at higher levels, he simply couldn't handle the units he was given. His attacks as an army commander were poorly planned and even more poorly executed, and he would often focus his attention on a single part of the offensive to the exclusion of everything else. His final battles, at Franklin and Nashville were almost comical (Or would have been if so many men hadn't died in them) in their ineptitude. Some have speculated that by this time Hood was addicted to opiates he received for his numerous wounds. But regardless, an attack rating of 4 at high level is excessive.

I would say, using a Strat/Att/Def notation
3 - 6/2/1
2 - 6/4/1
1 - 6/6/2

[rickd79]

Good point about the opiates Spharv2....I was just about to post about that.

This leads to a few questions:

1. Does the AGEOD system support allow for the wounding of leaders? In other words, maybe they could heal for a random amount of turns...then show up in Washington or Richmond ready for reassignment.

2. If the system did support wounded leaders, maybe the AGEOD folks could develop some sort of process where leaders might lose some abilities after injuries (it could be totally random..some might be fine, some might be a shadow of their former selves). I suppose Hood and Ewell are the classic examples of leaders who weren't quite themselves after they were hurt (or maybe they were just out of their element at higher command levels...debatable). This leads to all kinds of fun "what if" scenarios. What if Jackson hadn't developed pneumonia after his amputation. Would he have been the same guy?

[frank7350]

BoA did support wounded leaders iirc, but i don't think that it caused a ratings change.

as for hood, i agree with korrigan....i think the lower strategy ability is a more accurate portrayal of the inability of hood to effectively lead a large body of men.

[Chris0827]

I would lower his offensive rating as well as strategic. At Franklin he launched a frontal assault before most of his artillery had even reached the battlefield. His attacks around Atlanta weren't much better.

[Spharv2]

But if you lower his strategic rating, you reduce his ability to move. That's the thing, Hood never had an issue getting his army moving into an attack. What he did have was the complete inability to make an even remotely effective attack with it once it was moving.

If you lower his offensive rating and leave the strategic, you'll get this effect. A leader who will move his troops, but (probably) fail miserably once he gets them to a battle. That was Hood's problem.

[Feralkoala]

I believe Spharv is correct, the issue Chris mentions is more of a tactical than operational one. Coupled with his decision to make "disciplining assaults" at Franklin for his faillure at Spring Hill, I would say 2 is maybe a stretch, but certainly closer to reality than a 4.

[frank7350]

3 - 5/2/1
2 - 5/4/1
1 - 6/5/1

thoughts? i saw too many 6's before...

[Spharv2]

That looks much better to me.

[Korrigan]

141 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood3 $Dispirited_Leader $Hothead NULL NULL NULL 13 25 3 8 General 1 NULL 5 0 1
162 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood2 $Dispirited_Leader $Reckless NULL NULL 8 15 2 19 General 1 NULL 5 4 1
198 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood $Strong_Morale $Reckless NULL NULL 3 3 1 25 General 1 NULL 5 4 1


I don't like 6 either... too many military genius around...
This makes Hood (at Division level) a superb strategist, a very good commander in attack, an average commander in defense, with a strong morale bonus and some difficulty to retreat. And then all go down hill with promotions...
I've given him a stronger political value as he had befriended with Davis while healing in Richmond.

Comments?

[frank7350]

good for me

[Korrigan]

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162 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood2 $Dispirited_Leader $Reckless NULL NULL 8 15 2 19 General 1 NULL 5 4 1
198 CSA John B. Hood ldr_CSA_Hood $Strong_Morale $Reckless NULL NULL 3 3 1 25 General 1 NULL 5 4 1 [/color]

OK