Isn't less than 5 percent military control mean no retreat rout and annihlation?

[hannibal_barca]

I'm chasing this union single brigade with no leader across south carolina and I keep pinning it down in a province with no adjacent province to retreat to (that is no adjacent province has any union military control, all are 100 percent confederate) and yet when I rape them in battle they keep retreating away into provinces with 100 percent confederate control. I am using the newest beta patch. Is this a bug or am I missing something? I read the log and the union is retreating away and not withdrawing.

thanks

[Durk]

My take, all retreats are withdrawals, so dependent upon some chance elements, but very dependent upon combat stance, not enemy control.

[hannibal_barca]

Can you help me interpret this passage in the Ageod Manual, that is also found in the other ageod titles that I am aware of?

"Finally, you cannot retreat from battle into completely hostile regions (i.e. less than 5% Military Control).
Note: Engaging in a battle deep within enemy territory is a very risky proposition, as losing it will result in complete destruction
for lack of a retreat path!" pg 39

Even Alea Jacta Est states the same principle

"A Force cannot retreat from a battle into a region that is less than 6% controlled by the retreating player.
(A player that loses a battle and is surrounded by hostile territory is likely to see the total destruction of his
forces.)" pg. 55

BIA2 has it, so does Rise of Prussia.

[Durk]

Well, you are correct about the manual. I do hope others chime in with what happens to them. In my experience, this penalty only applies if you unload from a ship or travel several regions. If all you are doing is retreating (withdrawing), then it does not apply.
So, keep retreating, and not otherwise moving, no penalty.

[hannibal_barca]

I also hope so because it is frustrating to eliminate these renegade brigades

Maybe there was a change to the mechanics just for Ageod with one of the many patches, thats my only guess

[Durk]

It may be you need to shape your force. Get rid of slow units and focus upon cavalry or other quick units and maybe look to a great leader. Or, send your force by rail.

[hannibal_barca]

Im using all calvary force with a calvary commander, still not eliminating the pockets. In AJE, I think the rule does apply in that if a unit has no province to retreat as I cited earlier, then it will be annihalted

[Ethan]

Hi hannibal_barca,

This rule was changed some patches ago.

From 1.14 patch, the minimum Military Control (%) required to allow a retreat was changed to 0:

"56.) Changed Minimum control to have in a region to allow a retreat into it to 0, was 5 (adopted from Clovis Mod)"

Regards!

[hannibal_barca]

just wondering... what is the logic for that change? To help AI or make the game more dynamic?

[Ethan]

Exactly. It was intended to make more difficult to surround and destroy the enemy stacks.