1862 War in the West only scenario supply questions.

[Daniel_Morgan]

OK I am brand new to AACW, but so far enjoying it, its a little easier on my old laptop than WIA is. Enough so to make it more playable so I am now trying to figure this game out.

Ok I read the supply stuff, and kind of get how the whole map is a supply distribution system (how well it works depends upon, control, infrastructure, weather), and sources push supply to magnets.

And I also get in order to have oceanic supply you need transports in the "shipping box".

The thing that I am curious about is how to I got about Oceanic supply in the Western Scenario where the shippiong box is unplayable? (There is no shipping box in the Gulf, just a blockade box.)

I got the blockade fleets early and then get the Farragut Fleet and Butlers Invasion force.

And its apparently easy for the south to cut off Fort Pickens supply, (However they get supply which I don't have a clue) Because Fort Pickens is withering away because of no supply.

So Other than making sure Grant gets all the way to mouth of the Mississsippi (or has a stright line supply route to somewhere else close) how is Fort Pickens and eventually Butler going to stay hooked into the supply network?

Vera Cruz doesn't appear to be a magnet either, it has 0/0 supply stocks.

Is there someone to do this I am missing?

Does the blocakade box work for both in this case?

Do I have to "game" this some way because I don't have access to the shipping box?

[GraniteStater]

An excellent question. I wish I could answer it.

It could be 'built-in' - that scenario is ony 25 Turns.

Can someone help this gentleman, please?

[Cromagnonman]

Hmm. Having loaded it up, it appears that you will not have ocean supply in this scenario. Maybe you should sail Farragut & friends all the way to Memphis. Sorry guy. I'm surprised no one has noticed this before and altered the scenario setup.

[Daniel_Morgan]

No hey guys, its cool, at least I know. I was beginning to think I missed something simple being a n00b to this game and all.

The other issue of course is the blockade fleet which eventually will need supply (25 turn scenario, and ships are usually good for 16-18 turns before they have to be cycled back to "stock up"), I suppose I could sail them up river as well but that seems kind of gamey.

And Fort Pickens (south Alabama coast) eventually ran out of supply, it seemed to start having issues after I cycled the blocakde fleet in total trying to find a place to stock up again. Thats what made me think maybe the blockade box worked for both. But also at that time a single CSA militia was in the next land tile, so I don't know if that cut my supply or not. And if no oceanic supply occurs, how did it get supply the first 15 turns or so?

It makes me think something is going on, maybe there was a huge stock of stuff in the fort at first and it slowly used it up, Im not sure.

But if a scenario fix is in order those are the three issues to look at I would think.

-Blockade fleet

-Fort Pickens

-Farragut and Butler

To bad because I assumed this would be a more enjoyable playing the Union scenario since this time period in the east was basically a disaster for the Union.

Ill try a different scenario, no biggie

[Daniel_Morgan]

Fort Pickens at the beginning of the scenario is 8/2 supply.

And its brown all around me in the south as I suspected in the supply view map.

[Jim-NC]

The scenario is different from others due to the reasons you list. The best rememdy is to take N.O. with Butler. (N.O. produces a ton of supply each turn - I don't remember the exact amount, but it is over 100 GS each turn). After taking N.O., capture the river forts (St. Phillip and Jackson), and now supply will flow from N.O. to Ft. Pickens via your riverine supply points.

Forts in and of themselves sometimes generate supply, but do request it. So Ft. Pickens wants supply, but doesn't generate any/enough. Normally, it gets supplied via the sea network (you would have to capture the adjacent towns to get supply the normal way).

If you want to know how much supply N.O. generates, start a game as the CSA.

Bottom line, capture N.O. with Butler, then the river forts. N.O. generates enough to feed your blockade fleets as well.

[Daniel_Morgan]

The scenario is different from others due to the reasons you list. The best rememdy is to take N.O. with Butler. (N.O. produces a ton of supply each turn - I don't remember the exact amount, but it is over 100 GS each turn). After taking N.O., capture the river forts (St. Phillip and Jackson), and now supply will flow from N.O. to Ft. Pickens via your riverine supply points.

Forts in and of themselves sometimes generate supply, but do request it. So Ft. Pickens wants supply, but doesn't generate any/enough. Normally, it gets supplied via the sea network (you would have to capture the adjacent towns to get supply the normal way).

If you want to know how much supply N.O. generates, start a game as the CSA.

Bottom line, capture N.O. with Butler, then the river forts. N.O. generates enough to feed your blockade fleets as well.

Have you done that in this scenario? If so how. The force butler has is rather small, and rapidly runs out of supply. I guess you would have to know when he shows up, and make sure you controlled the river down to that point or I guess land and assault the next turn, and hope Butler isn't sitting on his arse like usual

Ill look into it.

[Jim-NC]

As soon as Butler shows up, I sent him up the river to assault New Orleans. He was able to take it before all his supplies disappeared. The link below is from the 2nd tournament, with the union (me) attacking New Orleans. In this game, the CSA moved an Army to defend it. I was able to push the army out, and capture the city. I did get my head handed to me in that game (but that is a different story).

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=15595

[Daniel_Morgan]

So basically land him and hope for the best.

It seemed to work for you

Dam, I wish I wasn't at work right now so I could try it

[GraniteStater]

So basically land him and hope for the best.

It seemed to work for you

Dam, I wish I wasn't at work right now so I could try it

Your priorities need to be examined

[Daniel_Morgan]

Your priorities need to be examined

Most I interact with agree I have issues

[bigus]

OK I am brand new to AACW, but so far enjoying it, its a little easier on my old laptop than WIA is. Enough so to make it more playable so I am now trying to figure this game out.

Ok I read the supply stuff, and kind of get how the whole map is a supply distribution system (how well it works depends upon, control, infrastructure, weather), and sources push supply to magnets.

And I also get in order to have oceanic supply you need transports in the "shipping box".

The thing that I am curious about is how to I got about Oceanic supply in the Western Scenario where the shippiong box is unplayable? (There is no shipping box in the Gulf, just a blockade box.)

I got the blockade fleets early and then get the Farragut Fleet and Butlers Invasion force.

And its apparently easy for the south to cut off Fort Pickens supply, (However they get supply which I don't have a clue) Because Fort Pickens is withering away because of no supply.

So Other than making sure Grant gets all the way to mouth of the Mississsippi (or has a stright line supply route to somewhere else close) how is Fort Pickens and eventually Butler going to stay hooked into the supply network?

Vera Cruz doesn't appear to be a magnet either, it has 0/0 supply stocks.

Is there someone to do this I am missing?

Does the blocakade box work for both in this case?

Do I have to "game" this some way because I don't have access to the shipping box?

The "Official" West scenario has not been updated for some time.
When I originally altered this scenerio I did not include transports in the shipping box. This is probably the version you are playing.
This has been changed in an updated "modded" West senario that you can find here......

http://www.ageod-forum.com/showthread.php?t=12129

You can extract and copy over just the West scenario but remember to copy both the .scn and the .sct files or you won't see the transports.

The newer version does include ocean supply that arrives when the Butler force arrives.

[Daniel_Morgan]

wrong thread