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Re: War of the Rebellion as a game name

Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:02 am

As a Federal officer I'd of course love to see AACW2 named "War of the Rebellion", but I am afraid it would never do. Every Southern sympathizer would claim it ought to be called "War of Northern Aggression". :thumbsup:
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BTW lest I seem to be making no sense, this was a reply to this thread, meanwhile closed. :innocent:
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War of the Bearded Generals is a better name!

I mean 90% of these guys have some kind of handlebar mustache or beard!

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Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:47 pm

"AACW2: The war of Seccession" is neutral to both North and South. Plus, isn't that the name it's known by in France?
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slimey.rock wrote:"AACW2: The war of Seccession" is neutral to both North and South. Plus, isn't that the name it's known by in France?


And in Germany too. "Sezessionskrieg". Although "Bürgerkrieg" (Civil War) is gaining in popularity as the Anglicization progresses. ;)
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Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:06 pm

And in spain! :)
"War of the rebellion" reminds me too much to... Star Wars :blink: :D

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MrT wrote:War of the Bearded Generals is a better name!

I mean 90% of these guys have some kind of handlebar mustache or beard!


I like it :mdr: :thumbsup:
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I dont know how if war of the rebellion would draw as wide of people, just because most younger people when they learn about it in high school here American civil war, but I go with any name.
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Gray_Lensman wrote:The reason I agreed with Franciscus about the possible title was if you know anything at all about informational sources for the Civil War the absolute best and most accurate source is known as

The War of the Rebellion "Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies"

Here's a link to an online source of this huge 128+ volume work:
http://digital.library.cornell.edu/m/moawar/waro.html


The problem is that the Official Records were compiled in the 1860s and 1870s, but after that period, nobody referred to the war as the "War of the Rebellion". All those Southern Lost Cause nuts called (and occasionally still call) it the War of Northern Aggression, but there's no such advocation in the old North- it's just the "Civil War" or, for our friends across the borders/oceans, the "American Civil War". For what it's worth, I prefer "War of Secession".

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The Brothers' War

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Colonel Dreux wrote:War Between the States


Well, War between the States has about as much Southern bias as War of the Rebellion has Northern bias. (The war was about state rights and all that.)

I truly love "A House Divided", but of course it's a Lincoln quote, so again ... :bonk:

I suppose The American Civil War still says it all.

Re War of the Rebellion, Gray: Of course, the OR were called that. But then they were also published by the victorious North. :siffle:
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The War of Southern Aggression
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Heldenkaiser wrote:Well, War between the States has about as much Southern bias as War of the Rebellion has Northern bias. (The war was about state rights and all that.)

I truly love "A House Divided", but of course it's a Lincoln quote, so again ... :bonk:

I suppose The American Civil War still says it all.

Re War of the Rebellion, Gray: Of course, the OR were called that. But then they were also published by the victorious North. :siffle:


Interesting take on the War Between the States. I've always thought of it as a rather neutral take on the war, since it was a war between the states, slave state versus free state, North versus South, etc...

I see how it can be seen as "pro-Southern", but I've always viewed it in a more neutral way. My slow mind at work probably. :)
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Neither The War of the Rebellion nor The War of Northern Aggression would be suitable, as has already been noted. The former is a Northern term and the latter is a Southern term. I was going to suggest Lincoln's War until I discovered there was a book by that name.

The Civil War and The War between the States have been done to death. Something less common is what is needed in my opinion. According to Wikipedia, "War of Secession is the common way of referring to the war in Spanish, French, Italian, German, Polish and Portuguese," as well as being used in the South.

A couple of other names less commonly encountered would be The War for Southern Independence and Charles Beard's term The Second American Revolution. I rather liked the title Brother against Brother mentioned, but that isn't very original. Neither is The Blue and the Gray.

And that's my two cents' worth.
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Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:59 pm

How about Divided Brothers ?
This is fairly neutral and would point to the fact that there were really some instances where families (i.e. brothers) were divided and that people from North and South were not really THAT different (same "nation", religion, past history etc)

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Veterans may remember it, but probably newer members don't know about... :)

When ACW was in development (2006/2007), the planed name for the game was
"American Civil War: Our Hearts were touched by fire"

Taken from a famous Oliver Wendell speech (at Gettysburg battlefield on an anniversary of the battle IIRC :bonk :)

"Through our great good fortune, in our youth our hearts were touched with fire. It was given us to learn at the outset that life is a profound and passionate thing. While we are permitted to scorn nothing but indifference, and do not pretend to undervalue the worldly rewards of ambition, we have seen with our own eyes, beyond and above the gold fields, the snowy heights of honor, and it is for us to bear the report to those who come after us."

The name was cool... but probably too long and poetic for a wargame :D

In any case, the best name for ACW2 IMHO would be... ACW2 :wacko:
Not too original, but descriptive enough! :D

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I like some Catton, Sharra or Foote quotes and titles:

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There is already a board game called: "War Between the States."

Also weren't the Wars of Succession in Europe mainly caused by the death of a monarch who had no clear line of linearage to an heir (acceptable heir) and another party's attempt to seize power under dubious conditions or a long lost relative? While the ACW was a rebellion.

My favourite title is: AACW2: The South's Chance to do it Right.

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Big Ideas wrote:There is already a board game called: "War Between the States."

Also weren't the Wars of Succession in Europe mainly caused by the death of a monarch who had no clear line of linearage to an heir (acceptable heir) and another party's attempt to seize power under dubious conditions or a long lost relative? While the ACW was a rebellion.

My favourite title is: AACW2: The South's Chance to do it Right.


There is also a recent (and supposedly very nice) PC game with the same name: Gary Grigsby's War Between the states.

On the other side, you are mixing two concepts: Seccesion (means separation) with Succesion (a war to see who is the successor or a king or emperor). :)

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arsan wrote:Veterans may remember it, but probably newer members don't know about... :)

When ACW was in development (2006/2007), the planed name for the game was
"American Civil War: Our Hearts were touched by fire"

Taken from a famous Oliver Wendell speech (at Gettysburg battlefield on an anniversary of the battle IIRC :bonk :)

"Through our great good fortune, in our youth our hearts were touched with fire. It was given us to learn at the outset that life is a profound and passionate thing. While we are permitted to scorn nothing but indifference, and do not pretend to undervalue the worldly rewards of ambition, we have seen with our own eyes, beyond and above the gold fields, the snowy heights of honor, and it is for us to bear the report to those who come after us."

The name was cool... but probably too long and poetic for a wargame :D

In any case, the best name for ACW2 IMHO would be... ACW2 :wacko:
Not too original, but descriptive enough! :D


Very cool idea... but, yeah, too obscure.
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As a Southerner, I have heard many and various terms for the Civil War. My Southern family and friends simply call it: "The War!" Everyone know immediatly to what is being referred!! As to what you Euros want to call it: Go for it guys and know that we Southenors don't give a darn what you call it!! t

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tagwyn wrote:As to what you Euros want to call it: Go for it guys and know that we Southenors don't give a darn what you call it!! t

This kinda reminds me of this:
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arsan wrote:Veterans may remember it, but probably newer members don't know about... :)

When ACW was in development (2006/2007), the planed name for the game was
"American Civil War: Our Hearts were touched by fire"

Taken from a famous Oliver Wendell speech (at Gettysburg battlefield on an anniversary of the battle IIRC :bonk :)

"Through our great good fortune, in our youth our hearts were touched with fire. It was given us to learn at the outset that life is a profound and passionate thing. While we are permitted to scorn nothing but indifference, and do not pretend to undervalue the worldly rewards of ambition, we have seen with our own eyes, beyond and above the gold fields, the snowy heights of honor, and it is for us to bear the report to those who come after us."

The name was cool... but probably too long and poetic for a wargame :D

In any case, the best name for ACW2 IMHO would be... ACW2 :wacko:
Not too original, but descriptive enough! :D


I always thought that the original title of AACW was in fact too short. I supported: 'In our Youth our Hearts were Touched with Fire'. The phrase has a nice ring to it. However, nothing came of my idea.
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lodilefty wrote:I like some Catton, Sharra or Foote quotes and titles:

Killer Angels
Gods and Generals
Last Full Measure
Glory Road
Never Call Retreat
This Hallowed Ground
Terrible Swift Sword



Those sound like good scenario names to me. :)
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"A House Divided" would probably be the most marketable name possible outside of something involving "Civil War".

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Unfortunately many of the suggested names in this thread are probably copyrighted since they are already used for a book, movie, another game, etc.
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Heldenkaiser wrote:As a Federal officer I'd of course love to see AACW2 named "War of the Rebellion", but I am afraid it would never do. Every Southern sympathizer would claim it ought to be called "War of Northern Aggression". :thumbsup:


Southerner's are not offended by calling it the War of the Rebellion. In fact, the Southerners of back then were very proud to be called Rebels; after all, that was what their grandfathers were called in the American Revolution.

So, while the Northerner looks at it as a derogatory term, the Southerner takes pride in it. They were rebelling against the wrong direction that the Northerners were taking the country - federalism (moral issues aside).

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