vaalen wrote:Paradox has stated on their forum that all in house games will be steam only, forever.
Franciscus wrote:Thankfully we have GoG, Matrix, Slitherine and Ageod, and also the other independent devs like JMM.
Let's cherish and support the guys that keep the candle burning
Narwhal wrote:This thread has a nasty stench, but so far we avoided this here and I wished it remained so.
Narwhal wrote:This thread has a nasty stench of "We_Are_Better_Than_Them". This sort of stench is commonplace of too many "community forum", but so far we avoided this here and I wished it remained so.
Narwhal wrote:This thread has a nasty stench of "We_Are_Better_Than_Them". This sort of stench is commonplace of too many "community forum", but so far we avoided this here and I wished it remained so.
Narwhal wrote:You are right on that Vaalen, "stench" was too big a word in the situation.
I ll let you all have the last word and go on other threads.
Pocus wrote:Thank you anyway for the news about the Paradox & Steam marriage. If you can find the communique about their internal games & Steam?
no, there won't be a non-steam version.. We had a huge forum-demand for a non-steam version of CK2, and it had an even less percent of the market than we had expected.
DanSez wrote:, we can make choices and with those choices influence the market place (I prefer the benefits of a regulated free enterprise), but Paradox is just a small, tiny player in forces that want You to behave in ways that profit them -- at what cost to us? at what benefit to us?
I don't blame Paradox. They are trying to put out a product and make a profit - no sin there. And I suggest don't attack the ones who have sold their digital souls. Discuss and educate if you can but realize some people can only see their convenience and benefit regardless of any other idea or concern and in the end, it is probably a losing battle.
DaiMonPaul wrote:none of these games have the Steamworks DRM on them.
You don't need to run Steam to play the game,
Jarkko wrote: the development and upkeep costs are just too high.
Jarkko wrote:Like DaiMonPaul above states, Paradox games don't require Steam running. The games can be bought pretty much anywhere, but Steam is used to download the game and patching the game (if you so wish), but other than that I for one never have Steam on to run CK2 or MotE. If that makes me a Steam fanboy, so mote (no pun intended) it be.
One can ask why Paradox went the Steam way. In 2011 90% of their sales came from digital distribution, 95% of CK2 sales were through Steam. It is pretty obvious from a economic view it does not pay off to serve the small minority allergic to Steam, because the development and upkeep costs (wether the game is boxed or downloaded from somewhere else but Steam there are extra costs, not to mention the various methods require various patches which further increases costs) are just too high. I bet Paradox knows there are a few people who won't buy Steam versions of their games, but that still is a smaller loss than pour the money into other venues to sell the game.
Then there is the Steam developer tools. I won't go into those (as I bet Pocus and Phil are *way* more familiar with them), but they are nice for example in situations for companies where everybody working with the game isn't sitting in the same room. Steam isn't of course the only one providing such tools, but there is again the economic view.
Steam won't last forever, everybody knows that (nothing lasts forever). Unlike vaalen mentioned in this thread, Paradox has not said Steam will be their venue forever. Comments like that really are something I for one would not expect to see on AGEOD forums.
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