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AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:07 am

I gather any future titles using the WeGo CW2/RUS system are a lost cause at this point, but was any thought given to a depiction of the Boer War? It seems a perfect subject to have done.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:37 pm

Pride of Nations has a scenario on the Boer War doesn't it?

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:41 pm

I'll have a look, I think you're right. That and the Sepoy mutiny in India as well.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:04 am

There is a Boer War scenario, but I do not know how you can gain it. Maybe PM a member who might have it?

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:04 pm

its in the base game, so if you have PoN you should have that scenario

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:47 am

It is included? I cannot discern between base game and modules, but I thought only the 1850 start was in the base game. My copy is very old, so I do not know what is available. Also, the Matrix and Slitherine website redesign makes finding the included scenarios hard to find. I am pretty sure the Boer War came as an early DLC as my then friend and I bought and played them all.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:25 pm

Look at the original review at Wargamer in 2011, it was included:

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In addition to the grand campaign, Pride of Nations includes four battle scenarios: the 1857 Sepoy Rebellion, the 1859 Risorgimento, the 1899 Boer War, and the 1904 Russo-Japanese War



https://www.wargamer.com/reviews/pride-of-nations/


A gameplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F79xhj82gnQ

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:20 pm

Hmmm ... actually, I had to purchase it as a separate DLC.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:08 pm

you can't buy it that way? If I recall there are 4 dlcs, the 1880 GC, the 1862 American civil war, the Franco-Prussian war and the Spanish-American war (though that was free if you'd pre-ordered on release).

so Indian Mutiny, Risorgimento, Boer War and the Russo-Japanese war are all from the 1850 core game?

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:59 am

The current Matrix and Slitherine stores are less than helpful in answering this question, so I looked at the second copy I bought not to many years ago when the Paradox version became unstable, the base game only includes the 1850 start. Four of the add on scenarios can be purchased, but the others, from the original game (Indian Mutiny, Risorgimento, Boer War and the Russo-Japanese) are no longer available unless you are playing an opponent who has the original game.
These are fun scenarios, so worth chasing down.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:04 am

Interesting thanks Durk.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:41 am

I've just rebought from matrix as I couldn't patch to 1.4.5 from my old gamersgate version and I have the original set of scenarios (Italy/India/Boers/Russo-Japanese)

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:15 am

As per usual loki100, you have the latest and best information.
Thanks

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:31 am

I really should have checked before doing the Chicken Little routine. I bought PON not so long ago and there the Boer war is as a scenario. Thanks for all your responses. Anyone want to try it out with me PoN? ;)

Apart from that I really want to give PoN a try down the road and I gather it really should be multi-player, so put me on the list of players those inclined.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:23 pm

actually its one of those games that works well SP. Give the AI some judicious advantages and it does ok at economic management, its got a bit better at naval war in the final patch and its ok at army stack building.

You have to avoid mercantalism in your own economic game play, its up to you to prime the world economy, maybe a bit of event scripting to ease some of the development burden (as an eg, you gain from other states properly exploiting their coal reserves)

since the core challenge of the game is managing your own state and gaining legacy - and bringing Perfidious Albion to heal, I've found it really engrossing played that way. Different to my views on the more military focussed games where in the end AI issues means that PBEM really is the best way to play.
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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:11 pm

I've never got beyond the short scenarios like the Franco Prussian War because 1600 turns of solving 27 simultaneous equations or whatever to decide on trade goods just overwhelms me. So I fire it up, look at the map, think I must learn to play one day, and move on to something else.

Anyway Loki if you think it is good as SP then perhaps I'll try again because you are the guru.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:24 pm

oddly I'm finding Russia more forgiving on the economic side than Italy. I think the difference is that Russia can cope with 'good enough' so its a case of some broad interventions in terms of import/export, keep an eye on the coal and mfg goods stocks and try to build up capital for investments. With Italy until the 1890s I had to pay constant attention and a few times sit down and redesign my entire production and trade systems from scratch to get it to work as I wanted.

So if you do start, its one of those games were the bigger more robust powers may actually give you an easier game.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:14 am

I find France to be the Goldilocks faction to play, not too hot, not too cold, just right. Lots of colonial action and internal development, but not difficult challenges.

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:19 am

That's because they only use one egg in their omelettes (Un oeuf is un oeuf).

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Re: AGEOD BOER WAR

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:10 am

Durk wrote:I find France to be the Goldilocks faction to play, not too hot, not too cold, just right. Lots of colonial action and internal development, but not difficult challenges.



And as Goldilocks was a trespasser and a thief - I suppose it is quite appropriate :)

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