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Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:03 am
by captain14
We are in Jun1808 PBEM.

For the last 8 months France, Turkey and Spain have the log notifying the player that most (all?) def work requests have been unsuccessful.
This occurs "every" turn.
I have checked the loyalty factors in the requested provinces and know the log messages are accurate (i.e. log says def work request unsuccessful and loyalty level does not change.

These unsuccessful result did not occur earlier in the game.
Can anyone suggest what is wrong and why it affects some players and not others?
Also how do we fix it?
As it now stands for the players concerned def work cards are now a pointless request to play.

Log screenshot and hst file are attached.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:02 pm
by captain14
The Austrian player also tells me he is affected by this unsuccessful log listings.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:56 am
by captain14
Log failures for Turkey, Spain and France.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:13 am
by captain14
Another 11 unsuccessful def works orders this turn for France :cuit:

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:52 am
by PhilThib
What were the loyalty and MC in the target region? If already to max, the decision won't work. :sherlock:

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:46 pm
by captain14
No the loyalty was never at the max in any of the target regions.

Loyalties varied between 50% and 95% and do not change after the failed notice.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:47 pm
by captain14
Prussian player has now also notified me he is getting unsuccessful def works messages.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:13 am
by captain14
A new turn and another list of unsuccessful attempts. Note the loyalty in Bremen only 89% in the attachment screenshot.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:42 am
by captain14
Spain had over 11 def work failures this turn,
See attachment.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:16 pm
by Pocus
The conditions are (from the text file 21-Build Defensive Works.rgd)

MinControl = 25
MustHaveInThisSUFamily = $famElite|$famLine|$famMilitia
MustHaveNumQualify = 3
CityMinLevel = 1
BaseSuccess = 100
Duration = 3

So... are you standing still with your units while the decision is under development? Is your military control always above 25? Is there some enemy in the region?
I would say the possible cause can be that you move out from the region.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 pm
by captain14
Pocus,
No we have already investigated the list you have above.
Always above 25% MC and usually sufficiently (stationary) units in the province.
Most of these Def works orders occur in rear echelon areas so there is not really many cases of moving units or enemy present.

If you look at the last attached log and read the messages you can see the difference.
So messages 58 to 65 record failed def works attempts. These 7 in my view are a bug (i.e. they meet all criteria and there is no reason for them not to be enacted.) They all read " An attempt to perform the decision Build Defensive Works in regions "x" was unsuccessful".
Now where there are genuine reasons for failures (units moved out etc) it appears there is a different message (as in message line 56 )reading, "The decision Build Defensive Works is not valid: Not enough elements of the correct family".

So you can see this attachment from last turn shows 1 genuine failure and 7 unsuccessful attempts that should have been valid.

This is happening with almost every player in our group and it is occurring "every turn"!
Players home regions are now reaching high levels of rebellion as players have limited toold to quell rebellions without a functioning Def Works card.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:34 am
by captain14
ok as you can see by the chart attached, 14 Def work requested with 100% failure rate all with 100% military control, required garrison and no enemy present.
So what is going on?

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:43 am
by captain14
Ok another turn and another 100% failure rate.
See attached chart, all requirements met yet 100% no result.
This is occurring with several PBEM players.
So can we please have an answer is this a bug?
Or is there something else going on?

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:03 am
by captain14
ok here is the Spanish players results. Guess what? of 16 requests 100% failure rate :crying:
See attachment all prerequisites were met.
Can we have an update on this by anyone?

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:16 am
by Pocus
Sorry for the delay. As the only file I have from your game is the HST file showing what already happened, I restarted a game with Spain and added defensive works to Madrid. It worked, and I checked the code line by line without seeing anything.

So I would need the current HST where you have failing decisions PLUS the turn before.

Thanks.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:16 pm
by captain14
Pocus,
please find the latest hst file attached.
The Def works failures occurs every single turn, so it makes no difference which hst file I upload'

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:11 am
by captain14
Here is theubsequent hst file if you need it.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:05 am
by Pocus
I'll check that then.

Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:18 am
by captain14
Any update on this one Pocus?