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Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:03 am

We are in Jun1808 PBEM.

For the last 8 months France, Turkey and Spain have the log notifying the player that most (all?) def work requests have been unsuccessful.
This occurs "every" turn.
I have checked the loyalty factors in the requested provinces and know the log messages are accurate (i.e. log says def work request unsuccessful and loyalty level does not change.

These unsuccessful result did not occur earlier in the game.
Can anyone suggest what is wrong and why it affects some players and not others?
Also how do we fix it?
As it now stands for the players concerned def work cards are now a pointless request to play.

Log screenshot and hst file are attached.
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Doc1.zip
log showing def works unsuccessful
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BrexitIV.zip
hst file for game
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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:02 pm

The Austrian player also tells me he is affected by this unsuccessful log listings.

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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:56 am

Log failures for Turkey, Spain and France.
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Def works bugs Spain.zip
Log Unsuccessful Spain
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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:13 am

Another 11 unsuccessful def works orders this turn for France :cuit:
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11 unsuccessful def works this turn.zip
French failed def works
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PhilThib
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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:52 am

What were the loyalty and MC in the target region? If already to max, the decision won't work. :sherlock:

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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:46 pm

No the loyalty was never at the max in any of the target regions.

Loyalties varied between 50% and 95% and do not change after the failed notice.

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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:47 pm

Prussian player has now also notified me he is getting unsuccessful def works messages.

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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:13 am

A new turn and another list of unsuccessful attempts. Note the loyalty in Bremen only 89% in the attachment screenshot.
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loyalty def works.zip
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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:42 am

Spain had over 11 def work failures this turn,
See attachment.
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Pocus
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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:16 pm

The conditions are (from the text file 21-Build Defensive Works.rgd)

MinControl = 25
MustHaveInThisSUFamily = $famElite|$famLine|$famMilitia
MustHaveNumQualify = 3
CityMinLevel = 1
BaseSuccess = 100
Duration = 3

So... are you standing still with your units while the decision is under development? Is your military control always above 25? Is there some enemy in the region?
I would say the possible cause can be that you move out from the region.

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Re: Unsuccessful Defence Work Orders

Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 pm

Pocus,
No we have already investigated the list you have above.
Always above 25% MC and usually sufficiently (stationary) units in the province.
Most of these Def works orders occur in rear echelon areas so there is not really many cases of moving units or enemy present.

If you look at the last attached log and read the messages you can see the difference.
So messages 58 to 65 record failed def works attempts. These 7 in my view are a bug (i.e. they meet all criteria and there is no reason for them not to be enacted.) They all read " An attempt to perform the decision Build Defensive Works in regions "x" was unsuccessful".
Now where there are genuine reasons for failures (units moved out etc) it appears there is a different message (as in message line 56 )reading, "The decision Build Defensive Works is not valid: Not enough elements of the correct family".

So you can see this attachment from last turn shows 1 genuine failure and 7 unsuccessful attempts that should have been valid.

This is happening with almost every player in our group and it is occurring "every turn"!
Players home regions are now reaching high levels of rebellion as players have limited toold to quell rebellions without a functioning Def Works card.
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Mixed messages.zip
different unsuccessful messages
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