Merlin wrote:You just love dragging that out at every opportunity, don't you?
Projekt Pasha wrote:Wouldn't you?
Jinx wrote:OH MY GOODNESS!!!!
I'm about half way through the AAR's. Way behind this, but, that's some bloody bloody battles.
Merlin wrote:I have class.
ringhloth dropped the entire British army on top of one of Projekt's, which was also dug in. I thought he was going to land in the Salonika pocket, not Otto territory.
Jinx wrote:In regards to the thread topic.
Although its unlisted in the 11 intriguing ways, I think the biggest game changer of WW1 was the Austria-Hungarian Compromise of 1867.
I know that's almost a full 50 years before WW1, but in my opinion, mostly because of that, Austria went from being one of the greater powers in Europe, to competing with the Ottomans for the title: "The Sick Man of Europe"
Hungary did nothing but choke out Austria and diminish it to insignificance. An excellent book on the topic is "The Mad Catastrophe"
I honestly think, if it wasn't for that, the Empire of Austria, though diminished probably in the Age of Nationalism, would have been a force to be considered. Would not have let Serbia begin empire building. Would have more then held its own against Russia, allowing Germany to focus almost exclusively on the Western Front. Probably been considered a more valued ally by Italy (even with historical ambitions in Austrian territories). And so on and so forth, I can probably list at least 10 more points.
Of course, going back 50 years to rewrite history is cheating, I can make any nation an empire if I can go back 50 years in its past and rewrite a small chapter of its history.
But if Mr. Franz Josef just didn't think it was a brilliant idea to form Austria-Hungarian empire, or alternatively, if the Emperor died after 1890's and let his successor Franz Ferdinand (a passionate anti-Hungarian) enact his War Plan H and march into Hungary, shutter their parliament at the least, and outright reform a Austrian Empire, I think even within those few years before 1914, Austria could have regained some of its former might.
Hehe! Anyways! I've been looking into this a bit, I've been researching in anticipation of writing a short story in an alternate WW1
Aaron_red wrote:Totally OT, but
I remember watching a program about how WW1 almost started in 1911 or 1912, when Russia and Austria-Hungary started moving around troops on there borders.
Think it was over a Balkans civil war, but could be wrong??
Anyone else remembers watching or reading about it?
Projekt Pasha wrote:The thing a lot of people miss today when discussing alternate histories is that the Great War was an inevitability. It wasn't a question of if but when. That was a huge factor in Germany's military deciding to fight in 1914, knowing that there would be a war eventually and that by 1918 or so Imperial Russia would be able to match Germany's railway network (and thus mobilize just as fast) it decided it was better to fight when the odds were even then hope for peace and be forced to fight when Russia could roll over Germany and Austria-Hungary like they weren't even there.
bob. wrote:I always feel like saying it was inevitable is way too deterministic. It was likely, yes, but inevitable? Absolutely not! When I read how WW1 started, I would say it was a result of unfortunate circumstances and many wrong decisions from some, surpringly few, people. None of the Great Powers was really wanting to fight a war so badly that it could not have been prevented.
Kensai wrote:But the compromise itself was a product of ruinous conflicts the preceding years. Both against a unifying Italy and Prussia. I believe the end of Austria was actually in the Napoleonic wars when it ended being the real powerhouse of Central Europe (premium country of the HRE). A-H might have even survived if Franz-Josef played his cards better instead of trampling the ethnic minorities of his empire.
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