I was playing the Marius vs Sulla scenario up until turn 20 when I suffered a "terrible defeat". My force in Messina was evaporated, the city taken without combat and the enemy managed to cross the Messina Strait and beat me in another battle all in the same turn. I have included the save up to that strange event.
Hope this helps.
Supersonic force jumps Messina strait and destroys everyone on its path
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The Messana strait appears to be able to be crossed by land troops. Select a land unit on either side, and hold the shift button. This tell you were you troops can go, and what they will have to do to get there. Any brown colored line means direct land connection. Thus a force can move from Messana to Rhegium by land. There are a few other locations like that.
Remember - The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Huskalator
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I agree with you here, this strait shouldn't be crossable.
Organizing a fleet and an expedition is real fun in this game. The first time that i played Caesar, i did the crossing after building some ships for Curio and his legions but discovered when playing Pompey that Caesarian had free access.
After many games, i find that it creates some problems since you can't play cat and mouse game with fleets and destroy all advantages of a superior fleets.
Here Pompey, the Carthaginians in the Punic Wars + Pyrrhus and later Sextus Pompey will be denied their advantage on the see.
Moreover the IA is largely able to do expeditions.
Organizing a fleet and an expedition is real fun in this game. The first time that i played Caesar, i did the crossing after building some ships for Curio and his legions but discovered when playing Pompey that Caesarian had free access.
After many games, i find that it creates some problems since you can't play cat and mouse game with fleets and destroy all advantages of a superior fleets.
Here Pompey, the Carthaginians in the Punic Wars + Pyrrhus and later Sextus Pompey will be denied their advantage on the see.
Moreover the IA is largely able to do expeditions.
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yellow ribbon
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why?
the sea street can be easily blocked , as for instance the Dardanelles. but time should be stretched out.
as you need few ships to get legions over the street, and the storms eliminate most places for a landing, he landing without by mere movement would happen in the same province as with ships.
the landing by movement with low cohesion might even take longer than with ships. thus intercepting might be even more seldom
the sea street can be easily blocked , as for instance the Dardanelles. but time should be stretched out.
as you need few ships to get legions over the street, and the storms eliminate most places for a landing, he landing without by mere movement would happen in the same province as with ships.
the landing by movement with low cohesion might even take longer than with ships. thus intercepting might be even more seldom
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however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
The Messana strait appears to be able to be crossed by land troops. Select a land unit on either side, and hold the shift button. This tell you were you troops can go, and what they will have to do to get there. Any brown colored line means direct land connection. Thus a force can move from Messana to Rhegium by land. There are a few other locations like that.
So, with a land link, there's no combat malus either for the river/strait crossing, correct? Is this going to be corrected?
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yellow ribbon
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i think you fight in either one of the provinces or being blocked by naval forces anyway.
the number of elements/ships needed to block the street of Messina and the Dardanelles could be lowered maybe
the number of elements/ships needed to block the street of Messina and the Dardanelles could be lowered maybe
...not paid by AGEOD.
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
however, prone to throw them into disarray.
PS:
‘Everything is very simple in War, but the simplest thing is difficult. These difficulties accumulate and produce a friction which no man can imagine exactly who has not seen War . . . in War, through the influence of an infinity of petty circumstances, which cannot properly be described on paper, things disappoint us, and we fall short of the mark.‘
Clausewitz
yellow ribbon wrote:i think you fight in either one of the provinces or being blocked by naval forces anyway.
the number of elements/ships needed to block the street of Messina and the Dardanelles could be lowered maybe
If the team want them open, the number of ships should definitly be lowered then and following another of your suggestion, time should be stretched out. ( actually I also had Crassus in mind before reading that threat, wouldn t be playable now. )
If there was a vote I would choose to lock the straights but it's the team's choice and I will get along withit
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