Question concerning Mithridatic War

[Quirk]

Hello,

during lucky circumstances I cornered Mithridates and killed him while assasinating Sertorius in the same round. But the war does not stop, on neither side. Both armies still fight on. Is there something I am missing? The game texts said that (I think) both armies start to crumble, but nothing like that happens. I do not posess any of my adversaries' capitals, but that is no condition for victory, right?

Edit: Also, there was an option to raise an army in rome, forgot the name of the leader, but this didn't happen as well. I am 3 or 4 turns farther now.

[Franciscus]

Hi

Can you provide a save game ?

[Quirk]

Hi Franciscus,

I accidently erased the file when I started a new round with Pontus
The war dragged on till the end date without any of the sides surrendering.

I will see how I will fare with Mithridates and add the save game right away next time!

[Quirk]

Ok, now, as Pontus, I cannot seem to activate the "Alliance with Sertorius" event.

This time I added the required files.

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[Quirk]

Just found out that the "Raise more money" action doesn't work as well. Nothing happens, as if I hadn't choosen it.

[Franciscus]

Hi

Sorry for not giving feedback, away from the PC, will try to look into your reports tomorrow night

Regards

[Quirk]

Take your time, Franciscus! No need to hurry, I appreciate your help and it's not like I am sitting in front of AJE all day

Btw, I do not know if it is normal, but I have a heck of a problem to feed my troops as Pontus. I am barely able to keep one bigger army fed. Only in Sinope. Damn difficult...

[Franciscus]

Hi

I checked your reports re Pontus in GMW

1. As to the More Money option, it seems to be working, the problem is that the text does not say (as it does for all the other factions) that this option only "works" if your money is below 150 (which is not the case you have more than 600 denarii :w00t - text will be added in next patch

2. The Alliance for Sertorius works, in your save - if you select it, Sertorian faction gets a new Diplo option, to accept or not the aliance. he can accept it or not (and to do it, he needs to have 15 EP) - afterwards, money will be exchanged, but Sertorius has only a 75% probability of the ships getting to Hispania. I tested all this sequence in your save and it works.
So, basically, you offer the alliance, but will have to wait if Sertorius wants (or can) accept it. You can check for yourself loading SER faction one turn after the alliance is offered, you will see the new option to accept the alliance will show one turn after it is offered by you

Thanks for your reports

[Quirk]

So this basicly means that I do not get a notification if Sertorius did not accept it (or could not, due to too few EP) and thus it is just displayed as if nothing happened, right?

Thank you very much for help, Franciscus! Now I only have to find out how to keep my armies feeded

[Franciscus]

You get a notification if he accepts and also if he does not accept, but nothing during the time he has to accept it or not, IIRC

Regards

[Quirk]

Thanks again!

One last question though. I just played as Pontus and everything worked fine so far. One minor issue was, that the Romans seemed to have plenty of reinforcements besides losing against me, Sertorius and the slaves. I beat them fair and square, held all my objectives for maybe 20 turns till the end, but still lost "Minor Defeat". Did I miss something? Do I have to reach a sudden death to win in this scenario?

[Franciscus]

Thanks again!

One last question though. I just played as Pontus and everything worked fine so far. One minor issue was, that the Romans seemed to have plenty of reinforcements besides losing against me, Sertorius and the slaves. I beat them fair and square, held all my objectives for maybe 20 turns till the end, but still lost "Minor Defeat". Did I miss something? Do I have to reach a sudden death to win in this scenario?

Got saves ?

[Quirk]

Of course, here we go

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[Franciscus]

I agree it is quite confusing.

Unless I am missing something here, I think that you got a "minor defeat" because, although you clearly "won" over Rome, the VP total of Sertorius is higher than yours (you can see this in F7 screen). As no one won or lost by suddendeath (NM), the victory or defeat is dependent on VP totals.
In these 3-way scenarios sometimes the end-result can be a little perplexing, agreed...

[Quirk]

Well, yes, that seems to be the reason.

My last game with Sertorius was cut short, because the Slaves conquered Rome before I could take my last goal, Massilias. But well, at least I got a "Victory" and the 2nd place...

[Quirk]

Hello again,

And another question:
In the scenario Marius vs. Sulla I am playing as the Optimates and killed Mithridates some turns before and now caputred Sinope, the capital. Is Pontus supposed to surrender at a certain point or do I have to keep them in check until I also finished off the Populares? As in some scenarios a certain enemy often surrenders, so you can concentrate on the other front.

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[Franciscus]

Hi

On vacation, will check when I can. You can load the game of the PON AI and check their NM

IIRC, sudden death Win/loss cutoffs are 175/25

Regards

[Quirk]

Hey Franciscus,

It is not about the national morale. Playing as Mithridates, when one of the Roman factions' morale goes below 25, you automatically win even if the other faction is still in shape. But what I meant is that there are scenarios where you also fight more than one opponent and if you beat one (e.g. by killing the leader or taking a certain city) all of his troops surrender, but the game goes on. So I guess this is not a standard "rule", but differs from scenario to scenario?

[Franciscus]

Hi

Made a quick check of your game.

In this scenario sudden death rule is on. The NM cutoffs for sudden death win/loss are 175 and 25 for each of the 3 factions.

You as OPT have in fact a lower NM (59) than PON (64), so Pontus faction is far from being defeated, in fact (and Pontus will only "surrender" by sudden death)...while you are dangerously low in NM (POP have 120) and also behind POP in VP

You, my friend, are in some serious trouble...

[Quirk]

But hey, that was before I reconquered Rome
I destroyed every Pontian army and the Populares........but still got only a minor victory because Utica didn't want to surrender.
Better luck with the Populares then