Rasputin's Own Bear wrote:Well, Finns had a considerable army, highly motivated and well-eqipped by the standards of RCW. IMHO, Mannerheim could take Petrograd relatively easy. He even offered to do this several times, provided that Whites guarantee Finnish independence, but Denikin refused. Same story with Poland. Both Pilsudski and Mannerheim meant full-scale offensive.
Mannerheim & Pilsudski would for sure took Petrograd, Belorussia and Ukrainia too "help" a White government to be installed, but they wouldn't get involved in a total war against russian inlands and hunt the Bolcheviks till Moscow and Siberia. I thing they were clever enough to see that if they did this, they would have to burn and starve many russian regions (or be accused to) and the hate of russian population wouldn't be a long term warranty for their independences.
See how the finish always tried to not hurt the russian nationalist susceptibility to keep as long as possible good relationship with such a big neighbour.
Rasputin's Own Bear wrote:I don't think so. Historical Whites command would probably be offended, call it "blackmailing", provoke a quarrel, lose Western support and then lose the war even faster.
Mmmh. Does it really matter if there is a quarrel ? If Allies just choose then to support any secondary White leaders and former Kerenski government ministers and 1917 constitutional Assembly deputies which agreed a deal subordinating the foreign help to some unified White provisional government and provisional parliament which produce rural reforms and let get away at least Polen & Finland.
I think we reach now the responsibilities of the Western liberal democracies in the RCW which at this stage had no clear political strategy against the Bolcheviks in Russia. A decade later and they would probably adopt a much more strong support to the "world's fight against communism" and would for sure switch a Wrangel/Denikin/Koltchak to another leader or even install a puppet regim if necessary, just to fight communism.
But it means maybe too much "what if" in 1918, since it would supposed a Churchill's government and a Nationalist government in GB and in France just after the WWI... and for sure it's not really realistic ... especially because the social-democrats in the western countries still didn't saw that the Bolcheviks were dangerous for them and did already controlled completely the 1917 revolution.
Finally, the more realistic alternate scenario is maybe somewhere around a German victory in the WWI and its possible plans with the Whites, Poland & Finland...
Well, it's surely time for me to play the main campaign scenarios of this game (like Drang nach osten) to see what AGEOD's team already implemented about that... Stop talking, play
В wrote:This could in a way describe the villages in Russia today to an extent, except now more village people come to cities and get lost in such different Russia. Many fail in city and return to village and family and ignorance of government society. This was true during Soviet times as well. Actions and motivations of Russian villagers changed, but mindset hasn't even with 3 or 4 different government style trying to change them.
Yes, at least now, there is maybe "only" the conscription army system which is the last government's policy which clearly penalize painfully the rural/poor population...
But now, i think we should all admit that we all walked far far away from the original topic of this thread...
So everybody back to the game now : Bolcheviks players could cry "The Power overto the Soviets !" and the Whites' "Don't do Politics !"