StephenT wrote:That's right. Most of the English-language histories of WW1 talk about that battle as a disaster caused by Enver's mistakes and incompetence - but I recently read a new (2008) history of the campaign by E J Erickson which draws on newly-published sources, and argues that Enver's plan was actually a pretty good one - and the Ottomans only lost because Yudenich reacted with unusual speed and skill.
Good details written by Erickson.
But I have some doubts about whether it is the fault of Enver or success of Yudenich, and the outnumbered Ottoman army?
According to Erickson Yudenich reacted with unusual speed and skill?
Some facts or some opinion:
-Enver was known as ultra nationalist. His idea was to unite Turks(who lives in some Russian lands) under the Ottoman(ironically there was no Ottoman in 1914, only name). With his "idea" in mind he marched quickly and unnecessarily fast in winter. Even Yudenich didn't march he waited. As the winter was coming.Ottoman army started to take losses from severe weather.
Enver wasn't a good strategist, lacking foresight. He was responsible for all the losses. I agree with "Most of the English-language histories of WW1 talk about that battle as a disaster caused by Enver's mistakes and incompetence" .
-He marched beyond the capability of the army, lacking crucial winter uniform and supply. Some cavalry groups(other Ethnic tribes) supported Ottoman army by defending mountain passes but with primitive weapons and uniforms.
-90000(depends) Soldiers of Ottoman died without fighting in winter.
-In the battles not only Russia and Ottoman involved. Erzurum and east of Turkey was populated mainly by ortodox armenians. As I wrote in the post above some of them marxist-Leninist and other were nationalists. But ironically marxists and nationalists started to involve in the battle by supporting Russian army. by 1915 and 1916 Ottoman army started to be targetted by both armenian(guerilla) and russian forces like it happened in Balkan wars as Bulgarian militants did. Add to that there was also some battles in west. (dardanelles)
It is little out of topic. But my opinion it is rather easy and not correct to define Yudenich as ww1 hero..