Vatsetis Red Commander in Chief?

[TheDoctorKing]

For much of the actual RCW, Col. Vatsetis was the Soviet supreme military leader. In several games I have played he has yet to be promoted even to two-star rank. Historically, he rose very rapidly from command of the Latvian division to army command in the Kazan-Simbirsk theater to overall command. I wonder if we could have an event that promotes him after each battle he participates in?

[Clovis]

For much of the actual RCW, Col. Vatsetis was the Soviet supreme military leader. In several games I have played he has yet to be promoted even to two-star rank. Historically, he rose very rapidly from command of the Latvian division to army command in the Kazan-Simbirsk theater to overall command. I wonder if we could have an event that promotes him after each battle he participates in?

You're right

[Florent]

This leader is promoted but is taken by the IA for false accusation, the text indicating that it was eventually released but when ? Did it take part again in the war ?
Because if this is the case he has to come back, which is not the case in the game !!!! You simply loose a good leader.

[Seb]

After his release I think he was put to an administrative duty. He was not field commander anymore.

[TheDoctorKing]

You're right

If by this you mean there is such an event, it doesn't seem to be working for me. I've had him capture Yaroslavl a couple of times, defend Kazan successfully, and in my current game capture Samara, and no promotions. We're up to March 1919; by this time he was C-in-C.

[Clovis]

If by this you mean there is such an event, it doesn't seem to be working for me. I've had him capture Yaroslavl a couple of times, defend Kazan successfully, and in my current game capture Samara, and no promotions. We're up to March 1919; by this time he was C-in-C.

No there is not such event. It should. There are definitly 2 schools about game design: the first removes feature when they are broken, the second works hard and learn to fix the feature.I'm definitly member of this second school :-) Sorry for the misunderstanding

Now the RUS designer is back, he will reply officially to you on this point.

Back to Drang AI

[Janohito]

This leader is promoted but is taken by the IA for false accusation, the text indicating that it was eventually released but when ? Did it take part again in the war ?
Because if this is the case he has to come back, which is not the case in the game !!!! You simply loose a good leader.

In reality he became professor in military academy after being removed from his position as army commander.
Later he wrote several books about latvian corp in Red army ("Latviešu strēlnieku vēsturiskā nozīme"), about WW1 in east front and russian civil war. Unfortunately his book about russian civil war wasnt published because of Stalin purges and book about latvian corp is only in latvian even though it is really interesting read and view on the chaos of russian civil war.

[TheDoctorKing]

Thanks, Clovis, for clearing that up.

Naturally, there needs to be some sort of balance between the "all options are open" school and the "historical course" school of game design. But as a matter of game balance, you need to make sure that each side has enough good leaders to keep them from being crushed. In my current game, Tukachevsky was killed in his first battle. To give the Reds enough decent 3-star generals in the late game, there needs to be the possibility of an unknown rising to be a good general to replace the missing Big Mr. T.

In a long-ago discussion of AACW, I proposed that the "random generals" option do two things:

- hide the values until the general has been in combat. You don't know how competent people are until they have "seen the elephant". Maybe in RUS, officers who had commanded large units in WWI could be exempt from this, but people like Tukachevsky - a lieutenant in the Great War - and Vatsetis - a colonel (and a lot of the guys who are 3-0-0's) could be hidden.

- allow everybody to rise to 3-star rank, with the higher-ranking leaders having values that could be slightly different from the one-star values. Some people got better as they rose in rank, others disasterously worse. The Peter Principle sometimes works in reverse!