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SYW Uniforms Links

Mon May 04, 2009 8:10 pm

Besides the already well known site here, browse the armies and regiments

http://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Armies



These webpages include pictures:


Herbert Knötel und Martin Lezius Das Zeitalter Friedrichs des Großen

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/sturm/sturm1.html



Mouillard Les régiments sous Louis XV

http://pfef.free.fr/Anc_Reg/Unif_Org/Mouillard/mouillard.htm



While we wait for the in-game units pictures we can enjoy these ones ;)

If you know more sites, please post them

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Mon May 04, 2009 8:41 pm

It's not online AFAIK, but for a good look at all the uniforms of the period I would recommend getting your hands on the 2 volume set by L & F Funcken "The Lace Wars".

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Mon May 04, 2009 9:00 pm

Ebbingford wrote: L & F Funcken "The Lace Wars".


Or better all their work :thumbsup:

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Mon May 04, 2009 9:22 pm

:thumbsup:

I see you are missing Napoleonic Wars part 2, or did it not fit in the photo :D

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Mon May 04, 2009 10:01 pm

Ebbingford wrote: :thumbsup:

I see you are missing Napoleonic Wars part 2, or did it not fit in the photo :D


Hehe, not realy, but I have the German version of their work. Lace wars (1+2), Napoleonic Wars (1+2) and German-Prussian war altogether in one book:
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If you prefer books, here is another one ;)



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Tue May 05, 2009 7:34 pm

Nikel wrote:If you prefer books, here is another one ;)


It just came yesterday from eBay, but I have overpaid it according to alibris and abebooks.
Any other good 7 years war books/documentaries/movies ?
Already got Empires Collide: The French and Indian War 1754-1763 and Crucible of War: The Seven Years' War and the Fate of Empire in British North America, 1754-1766 (on the way), Funcken works and this one by Blandford series.


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Tue May 05, 2009 8:30 pm

For the Austrian Army during the 7 years war see The Instrument of war by Duffy but it is rare now.

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Tue May 05, 2009 8:51 pm

And expensive ;)

http://www.amazon.com/INSTRUMENT-WAR-Austrian-Seven-Years/dp/1883476194/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241552798&sr=1-1



Oh, a question to AGEod developers, PhilThib, Hok,... We could see some books with Napoleon Campaigns.


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Wed May 06, 2009 2:27 am

The Duffy books are available direct from the publisher for quite a bit less than the other sites listed above:

http://emperorspress.com/books/iow_book.htm (Instrument of War $65 US)

http://emperorspress.com/books/bfoa_book.htm (Force of Arms $75 US)

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Wed May 06, 2009 3:45 am

Duffy's "Russia's Military Way to the West" has a great section on the war from the Russian point of view. I note that it also sells for a ridiculous amount of money on Amazon - glad I have it!

IMHO the Russian point of view is very valuable - it's usually neglected and the war marked the first time Russian armies intervened decisively in central Europe.

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Wed May 06, 2009 11:58 am

Actually they send an army in 1748 but was not used but all of europe was impressed by the discipline and the long travel.
The seven years war saw the first intervention "for real" of the Russians in Europe, there will be many other...
Their army was very good and if Fred despised it, he learned to respect it.
They were very good for fire, the training was to aim at the individual ennemy even more than the prussian who aim at a zone. (See Osprey). And the Russians have always be taugh and tenacious soldiers in history.
Remember the French sayings during the Napoleonic wars " It is easier to kill Six Russians than to take one prisonner " or " Not only you have to kill a Russian but you have to push it to have it fall".
The French had a great respect for the Russians.
At Zorndorf or Künersdorf one Russian wounded attacked a Prussian wounded with his teeth.

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Wed May 06, 2009 12:10 pm

Thanks Rooster, i didn't know that the second volume had been released. :thumbsup:

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Wed May 06, 2009 12:24 pm

Hi!

I see there are quite a few SYW experts around here so...

Who can recommend me some good general history of the war on Europe??
If possible, a military detailed, redeable and reasonably objective account??
(and available at Amazon for less than 30 bucks ;) )

I have nearly zero knowledge about the conflict :bonk:

I'm somewhat delayed on my AGEOD games background readings... :wacko:

For AACW:
I'm still finishing the third tome of Shelby Foote "The Civil War Trilogy" and got the 4 tomes of "Battles and leaders of the Civil War" gathering dust by my desk. I don't think i woudl be reading them soon, but at least can look at the beautifull maps and illustrations :coeurs:

For WIA:
I already have (but not read) Fred Anderson's "Crucible of War" for the F&I war and "Rebels & Redcoats" for the American Revolution f

For NCP:
Luckily i have already read a handful of good books (Chandler's "The Campaigns of Napoleon" mainly) about the Napoleonic Wars before NCP was released :D

Thanks in advance! :)

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Wed May 06, 2009 1:07 pm

arsan wrote:(and available at Amazon for less than 30 bucks ;) )


Why just Amazon ?
Are you only buying new books or is there a particularly reason you only want books from this place?

You might also want to check those two sites which are accepting all range of payment methods of payments and have really CHEAP books:
http://www.abebooks.com/
http://www.alibris.com/

And there is still eBay where you can get SOME books for no more than 9-10 EUR (P&P included) :thumbsup:

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Wed May 06, 2009 1:15 pm

arsan perhaps somebody can comment something about this book

http://books.google.es/books?id=TRRmH7fx-wAC&printsec=frontcover


The only "review" could find was here

http://ilovewargameing.21.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=8482&sid=8e8c21cf3732ad739793d61d2fcf2700

As to books then i would recommend anything by Christopher Duffy. He has written lots of books on the SYW and you might even get some in your local library. If not a search on Amazon or similar will get him. There is also a good new book by Franz Szabo called "The Seven years War in Europe 1756 - 1763". This doesn't have some many military details but does give good coverage of all theatres of the war - i.e. the British/Hanoverians. It is also a good example of someone who doesn't like Frederick.


http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Years-War-Europe-Perspective/dp/0582292727/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241609246&sr=1-1#



Edit: here is a review

https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=14227


And in this journal

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/ahr.113.4.1224?prevSearch=%28seven+years+war%29+AND+%5Bjournal%3A+ahr%5D&searchHistoryKey=


Si te interesa creo que te puedo conseguir esta crítica ;)

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Wed May 06, 2009 1:20 pm

Hi Carnium!
Well i just said Amazon as its my main english books provider, but i have also bought on alibris or abebooks or even on play.com (free shipping! :thumbsup :)

I prefer new books, but also buy used if the book is out of print (like the Battles and Leaders of Civil war i posted above. I got each of the four parts from a different place :blink :) .

I've never bought on eBay still. It seems a (wild) world on their own and kind of scares me :wacko:

My main point on that line was not the "amazon" part, but "30 bucks" part ;)

I'm sure that Duffy's books are great but i don't feel like dishing 150-200 euros or more for them.
And besides they look very specialised, not a general history of the 7YW.
Regards

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Wed May 06, 2009 2:45 pm

Arsan, what you seek is the holy grail, there really isn't a general history of the SYW in Europe out there.
I've been searching a year for just what you mention, a modern, in print, fairly inexpensive book, haven't found it.

Your best options for now seem to be Osprey, and online resources.
2 Books I found at a used book store and can recommend:
Frederick the Great: The Magnificent Enigma Robert B. Asprey (full biography with detailed campaign and battles)
The Wars of Frederick the Great Dennis E. Showalter (campaigns and battles)

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Wed May 06, 2009 3:39 pm

Be aware though that Osprey books' quality vary greatly from one another, and while those dealing with units and battles are usualy good enough, the ones on general history may not be up to standards. For what I remember, the one on the French and Indian War is not so good (use of outdated concepts, interpretations and sources).
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Wed May 06, 2009 3:41 pm

I'm just reading again "The Seven Years War" by Rupert Furneaux, part of "The British at War" series published by Granada in 1973. (I've picked up a few from the series at second hand bookshops.) Good overview of the whole war although focusing mainly of course on the British involvement, Canada, America, India, naval, but seems to be a good "background" read. Coffee table type book, lots of pictures, maps etc.

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Wed May 06, 2009 3:46 pm

arsan wrote:Hi Carnium!
Well i just said Amazon as its my main english books provider, but i have also bought on alibris or abebooks or even on play.com (free shipping! :thumbsup :)

I prefer new books, but also buy used if the book is out of print (like the Battles and Leaders of Civil war i posted above. I got each of the four parts from a different place :blink :) .

I've never bought on eBay still. It seems a (wild) world on their own and kind of scares me :wacko:

My main point on that line was not the "amazon" part, but "30 bucks" part ;)


A serious buyer eh ? ;)
Don't be afraid of eBay as there people often sell unvanted items while on other sites you only have more or less professional re-sellers who are pretty much aware of the book prices. In short.. you can get great books on eBay for bargain price if you are lucky.

30 EUR or USD bucks ? :D


TiFlo wrote: For what I remember, the one on the French and Indian War is not so good (use of outdated concepts, interpretations and sources).


You mean Empires Collide: The French and Indian War 1754-1763 which is a compilation of three other Osprey books on 7 years war ?
For me it was good for a start, but after you read it, you want more informations as this one tries to cover it all but it fails.

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TiFlo wrote:Be aware though that Osprey books' quality vary greatly from one another, and while those dealing with units and battles are usualy good enough, the ones on general history may not be up to standards. For what I remember, the one on the French and Indian War is not so good (use of outdated concepts, interpretations and sources).

Indeed, I generally try to stay away from Ospreys for anything other than an overview.
I'm assumed Arsan and most people here are experienced enough to know not to rely completely on Ospreys.

Question, wasn't there a Prussian General Staff study done on the SYW?
The "Grosser-Generalstab" or something similar?
Has anyone found it online (Google Books), either translated into english or at least into a readable modern font?

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Thu May 07, 2009 9:30 am

Hi!
Thanks everybody for the answers! :thumbsup:
But it seems there is not much to choose from… :(
Isn’t it strange for such a big war like this?? :confused:
In comparison, the American “secondary theatre” (French & Indian war) has lots of very promising general histories.
Not to mention other eras like the Napoleonic wars… :coeurs:
Surely in German language there must be more books available.

Somebody has read the new Szabo book Nikel post about??
It seems it could be what I’m looking for…
If not, Osprey’s (and google :D ) will have to do for a general introduction.

Regards!

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Thu May 07, 2009 12:14 pm

Yes Szabo looks interesting with the latest knowledge.
You can try for Strategy and Tactics 163.
Most of the books are specialized on armies that fought at the time especially Prussian or Austrian.
I did my military service in Germany in Rastatt and i spend 6 days in Berlin-Potsdam in 1992-1993.
There i bought a few books especially the books written by Dorn-Engelmann like "Die Infanterie-Regimenter Friedrich des Grossen" and "Die Kavallerie-Regimenter Friedrich des Grossen" about the rgts and their actions. They were translated by Schiffer in English and are perhaps still available.
Dorn and Engelmann have also published "Die Schachten Friedrichs des Grossen" about the battles in 180 pages with map, order of battles and beautiful pictures/drawing made by Dorn about the soldiers in action. A nice book.
I you like drawings there are "Adolph Menzel und das Heer Frierichs von Preussen" and "Der Alte Fritz in 50 Bildern für Jung und Alt", all the pictures have been draw by R Knötel and Rochling and are in black and white generally but not here.

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Thu May 07, 2009 2:50 pm

Ah, Google search for
Der Alte Fritz in 50 Bildern für Jung und Alt

The first hit you get should be a mediafire link.
Download the file, rename to .pdf, you get the entire book :D

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Thu May 07, 2009 3:41 pm

arsan wrote:In comparison, the American “secondary theatre” (French & Indian war) has lots of very promising general histories.


The funding for academic research in North America is almost equal to that of Europe. But while Europe's history is pretty dense, that of North America is nowhere near (as of now). Thus you end up with fundings in the New World going to relatively few different subjects, covering a timeline of about 500 years, while in Europe they have to make do for as far as Antiquity.
Hence the somewhat over representation of the French and Indian War / War of Independance / ACW in historical works. Only the War of 1812 is lacking extensive work. Go figure :siffle:
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Thu May 07, 2009 5:17 pm

tc237 wrote:Ah, Google search for
The first hit you get should be a mediafire link.
Download the file, rename to .pdf, you get the entire book :D

Great find :thumbsup:


TiFlo wrote:Hence the somewhat over representation of the French and Indian War / War of Independance / ACW in historical works. Only the War of 1812 is lacking extensive work. Go figure :siffle:

It is kinda logical :
FIW -- US Colonials were on the winning side
WoI -- US Colonials were on the winning side
ACW -- only US Colonials fought in it
War of 1812 --- USA... hmm .. did they win this one ? :D

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Carnium wrote:It is kinda logical :
FIW -- US Colonials were on the winning side
WoI -- US Colonials were on the winning side
ACW -- only US Colonials fought in it
War of 1812 --- USA... hmm .. did they win this one ? :D

um, sounds about right to me, that's how I'd do it if I was in charge :D

Just got back from the Main branch of the local library, haven't been there in 20 years, had to sign up for a library card :cool:
used to spend hours in that place after school reading history books instead of doing homework (and it was better than going home back then)

Checked out:
Christopher Duffy: The Military Life of Frederick the Great
Christopher Duffy: The Military Experience in the Age of Reason
Franz A.J. Szabo: The Seven Years War in Europe 1756-1763

books are due back in 3 weeks and I'm a slow reader :bonk: , any suggestions ?
I usually like to buy books so that I can always refer back to them, might have to start taking notes again :blink:

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